Nauseating

We are not actually saying that Second Ruve should be punished for what First Ruve did. We are saying that for Tia's choice and feelings to make sense he needed to have more character development than her and prove himself. However his whole character developtment his based on her changing for him and finally suiting his taste and she is the one who took the most actions. It's basically victim blaming. And thus very disturbing.

For Ji-eun, no. She hate him now, but he never abused her (he just fell out off love with her). he even sacrified himself for her (but she don't know that).

He isnt a different person lol. If he hadnt « fell in love » with her he wouldve still treated her like shit. No excuses!

And as i said he might treat someone else that way somewhere down this timeline.

Not really the poison doesn't cause new emotions it ony amplifies them, and in the first timeline he already resented Tia, but doesn't mean he would have done all the things he did to her. He would have ignored her and treat her badly but not to that extreme. Also in one of the chapters Tia recognized that he allways showed lack of affection and resentment for her but, she also said that once Jieun appeared he began to show real hatred probably since that moment he had started to get poisoned, as his change in behaviour was rather sudden, and it began accumulating in his body resulting in the complete crazy man later on. Since then i began thinking maybe was Jieun from the beggining but now I think it is the aristocrats doing as they saw a new chance with the appearence of her.

- Actually Ruve showed hatred well before Ji-eun arrival, it's just that Tia did not realize it in the first timeline. She only realized it at the beggining of the second timeline when she saw the clues and how he was codly looking at her when she was still a child. The prof is how he humliated her at their first dance together at his coming of age ceremony (when he was 16 years old and her 12 if I recall). And when she was still in her family's home they never meet together, so he did not have a lot of opportunity to do much more.

- I agree that the poison amplified emotions that were already here. But I suppose we did not make the same conclusion from it. Tia herself did nothing to make him hate her at such a level, meaning that the "root" of his hatred was purely jealousy, hurt pride and beliving rumors. Overall it's also mean that he was still rational. When he don't let Ji-eun see him lashing out at Tia, when he make plans, when he is awake enough to know that someone will commit suicide and so on it's clear he still have his cognitives capacities. He had the ability to stop and think that just maybe Tia does not deserve any of it, after all. But it's not what happened. He abused her and got reed of her purely based on his own prejudice and then only regretted when he realized he was wrong about her.

Um...I know a spoiler and I'm not going to say it but remember when Ji-eun said he changed after Tia died in the first life...Ji-eun didn't know about the poison yet (as in when he changed). She told Tia the base of the situation but left out quite a bit of details. There is so much that happened both before and after Tia died that we don't know yet. And yes the poison doesn't change emotion but amplify it but being angry to the point you curse at someone and to the point you kill their father, child and them are such different levels that it is literally irrational behaviour.

Now I'm not saying he wouldn't have a been a dick without the poison but he wouldn't have been such a dick to the point of murder or rape without the poison. The most he would have done is just ignore her just like he did before.

I have read the novel, so trust me when I say that he did not abuse Ji-eun (he only slapped her once and contrary it was diserved with what she said to his face). And, once again, if drugs were the problem Tia would not have been the only one to suffer that much from him. He did all those hings while being perfectly rational. Maybe he would not habe been that bad, but he would definitly have distroyed her because it's what he was planning to do regardless of it (his ego and Zena's lies would habe been enough).

I wanted to say "contrary to Tia".

If you read the novel than you know the truth, don't you? Why would he have abused Ji-eun when he finally regained control of himself? Have you ever heard of, "I've Become the Villainous Emperor of a Novel," if not, first of all I recommened it and secondly go read maybe the first chapter and what happened to the Empress is exactly what happened to Ruve. Taking heavy drugs everyday combined with manipulation is powerful. Like I said I don't want to spoil anything but if you did finish the novel then you should know what he did, or tried to do, once he realized he was being drugged.

I forgot to actually make it a reply to yours so I hope you saw what I commented above

I was not talking about when he started getting the drugs out of his body but all the period he was supposedly under influence.

I think we can admit that he became a monster. But why toward Tia only if the drugs are solely to blame? If a bad day or simple rumors were enough to make him react this way, he would have attacked others too. He did not only psycology torture Tia, he acted on it several times. If the drugs were to blame, he should have attacked others too. He only attacked Tia because it came from him. It's the only logical explanation. Also, there is a long period after Tia's death when he still took the drugs before realizing what was happening. Thus, there is even less reason why Ji-eun would not have be his victim too. He slapped her, but only once when she actually derved it. He never throwed her on the ground, he never screamed at her, he always stayed ounder control while under influence when she did even more things than Tia to make him angry.

Well lets not forget the fact that he didn't like Tia. Like I said, he would have still been a dick without the drugs but not that bad. It is natural for all of his anger to be directed. Some people with anger issues doesn't go around yelling at everybody all the time, they go release it at the person they are angry at or who they hate the most. Not to mention the manipulation, the Duke was making sure he had a reason for all of his rage to be directed to Tia. Controlling someone means you control how they act around people and I doubt he was only cruel to Tia, as in he was most likely cruel to the servants. Not as in physically but I'm positive he's shouted at them or maybe thrown some papers at them. We only focused on Tia, we never saw him interact with anyone other than Tia and Ji-eun really (while he's working I mean).

Now with the spoiler, I remember he found out about the drugging before Tia died but couldn't stop taking it because he didn't know who was giving it to him so he wanted to play along until then. Now if what I remember was correct, during that time anger wouldn't have been his greatest emotion, grief, regret and sadness would have been, he wouldn't have been lashing out and angry, he would be crying and depressed so yh, it makes sense he wouldn't have hit Ji-eun until she did piss him off

Nope, he found out way after her death (at least 4 years if I recall, a short time before his own death).

And yes, one of the reason is that he had temper problems and was prejudicied toward Tia that he hated regardless of the drugs. Meaning that if she did not change, he would have been horrible toward her (even if not as bad as First Ruve). And since it's literraly his only character development, we conclude that Second Ruve is First Ruve without the prejudice toward Tia. And it's not a good thing, at all (even more proof of that will be the way he is going to treat Ji-eun after using her in the second timeline, but it's spoiler).

Ah I see, I must be remembering what I read wrong. And your right, he is but we have to all accept that what happened then didn't and won't happened now and whether we like Ruve or not, thats fact. Now I'm a stone hard Carsein stand so he will always be my favorite but if Ruve is different from the original timeline, even if its soley from how Tia interacts with him now, and she chooses him we have to accept that cause its her choice. I would have have chosen Carsein but I guess that red chain of fate was harder to break than she thought. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

Which is really strange and sad since she was given the name "pionner" to help her forge her own path. But even that would not be that bad, it could even have been interesting, without the victim-blaming throwed at Tia. It's what bother me the most in this story with the way she juste completly got rid of her trauma overnight.

You mentioned « ive become the villainous emperor of a novel » and id like to add something. The main character herself even admitted that the drugs were not the only thing to blame. The emperor herself wasnt all that great after the war already and the drugs amplified that, just like here.