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Preach! I’m not sure the manwha really tackled this nuance well too. Aeroc is filled with trauma of BEING TRAPPED and being obsessed over by Klauf but it would be nice if he was haunted by Raph’s ghost or something because that event was the catalyst of his misery. But your explanation was handled beautifully.

All Aeroc wanted was to have them push Rapiel so he could miscarry. He didn't want rapiel raped, beaten, and killed. The men he hired turned out to be monsters and took it WAY too far.

Yes, that's bad that he hired them in the first place and wanted Rapiel to miscarry, but what Klauff did is monstrous in itself. He didn't know the whole story and has these internal instincts to just beat, confine, and forcefully keep Aeroc there. In his sick and twisted mind he hasn't changed. And we see it, especially with this chapter. He's fucked up in the head!

And I think you're forgetting that. Klauff is a monster and will always be a monster.

He hired people to PUSHED him so he will miscarriage not BEATEN him up. The men he hired doing the other monstrous thing without his command. It is bad too that he want something bad upon Raphiel, but it's not as bad as what Klauff did.

Still, to have random dudes conspire a plot to make a person miscarry and not realize how corrupt they are, because he was so blinded with jealousy, that’s still reprehensible. Of course, Aeroc doesn’t deserve his fate in the first timeline, but it also doesn’t deserve the blatant favoritism in the comments when the Klauf in this timeline hasn’t done a single thing. If the person you cherish enough to have a child with died due to another person’s jealousy, you would be pissed af but of course that doesn’t excuse his actions as well. Nuance.

I really thought I was alone in this, is refreshing to see somebody else agrees, notice how the other comments try look for excuses while saying is not that bad, even while describing the horrible event they say is not that bad.

No one is claiming Aeroc is innocent, but the way you’re whitewashing Kloff’s actions is genuinely concerning. You’re saying that Kloff repeatedly assaulted him, beat him, and threw him into places where others assaulted (gang raped) him too. He had three miscarriages because he was Assaulted while pregnant and also he was gang raped repeatedly. He was beaten, starved, forced into addiction, kept in a cold cabin, degraded, isolated and more. Aeroc did wrong and admitted it, but what Kloff did was far worse. So saying Aeroc is being “brushed off” is pretty nasty, especially when we’ve seen the consequences of Aeroc's actions. The fact that you’re excusing Kloff is honestly twisted.

I haven't properly finished the novel but from what I gathered there was a reason his jealousy reached such an insane point. Kloff was specifically showboating Rapiel around Aeroc every chance he got, he never let Aeroc forget even for a second and it's implied that he didn't even like Rapiel. It was his own internalized homo(alpha?)phobia that even led to him rejecting Aeroc in the first place. If Aeroc hadn't been an alpha he would've jumped for it and he only chose Rapiel because he looked like Aeroc. He also believed Aeroc to be some kind of slut (he literally made that part up in his head) when he approached him with the offer. There's probably even more too with how hard Aeroc fell from only seing Kloff just once. So not exactly a defense just more context.

I didn't wash his actions, if you read my comments I said that what Kloff did is wrong and he shouldn't have done that, because what good is to inflict so much pain upon another person to the point of ruining yourself? So I was wondering why other people washed what Aeroc did, just look at the comments beneath, they're describing the horrible event but they brush it off like it wasn't that big of a deal. If you look at the massive amount of comments since the first season, MOST people completely brushed off and washed what Aeroc did, that was my concern, you can't hate one person and completely forgive the other one when both did horrible things.

I’ve never seen anyone say what Aeroc did was right. Honestly, I’ve seen plenty of people condemn his actions. I read your comment, and it really did feel like you were excusing Kloff’s actions. What I do understand is how Aeroc’s actions are “worse” when his punishment was horrific. What he caused Raphael to go through, he ended up experiencing himself many times, including three miscarriages. Even after all that, we can’t say what he did is being brushed off. Aeroc is someone who learned that actions have consequences, and Kloff also used both Raphael and Aeroc. Saying readers are brushing off Aeroc’s actions is biased. Honestly, this whole story is built on traumatic bonding. Even readers are bounding over first life trauma

Imo their crimes/sins just carry different weights. As you said, Kloff beat, raped and abused Aeroc in that shed for years. The weight of that compared to Aeroc sending gangsters to kill a pregnant guy is just so much heavier. I don't think it's a subjective take either, one is simply way more personal and intentional than the other. We also have the benefit of constantly witnissing how Aeroc regrets his actions and accepts Kloff's abuse because he feels so bad about it.
And this might just be me, but Kloff even in this 2nd life is such an arrgoant dick sometimes. I do not like his personality at all. Sometimes I read this guy's thought bubbles and want to punch him bc he's being a classist little twerp.
Sure that doesn't make what Aeroc did perfectly acceptable, but his actions and behaviour are far more sympathetic.

Yes! That's another thing I forgot to discuss about his character Kloff is the most arrogant selfish piece of crap. It shows in every timeline, he thought he was in the right, right up until the end.

First of all Aeroc send people to scare Raphael not to kill them and then again he was indirectly involved and yes the redemption he had was tragic

Yep, I didn't feel like going into detail about that bc I feel like even ppl who haven't read the manhwa atp know the details bc of how passionately commenters defend him.

I never stated that people were saying that what Aeroc did was right, nor did I say that what he did was worse, I said people in the comments were brushing it off, as in downplaying what happened, and you know I'm right, just look at the other two comments, and most of the old comments and then tell me I'm wrong. They're literally "oh Raph was beaten, raped, murderer but is not that bad" what is that if not brushing off what happened?

But honestly I don't blame them, the story is written so that we have a clear redeemable bad person as love interest (Klauff) and a victim (Aeroc), we're even currently seeing the horrible thoughts Klauff has, how will most people acknowledge Aeroc's past when present him changed for the better, he is cute and clumsy and a better person, but present Klauff is having such terrible thoughts and is also mean and forceful sometimes, i wish they both find someone else, or Klauff could be alone.

As I said countless times before, they both did wrong and it doesn't sit right with me that Raph was the only real innocent person (besides the children) and people don't seem to really care who caused his terrible death, BOTH should be acknowledged. It also doesn't sit right with me that Klauff has a second chance with Aeroc, as I said in my other comment he caused him so much suffering. But fate keeps them tied and and they will be together, so at the end I just hope they can forget and move on.

I’m not trying to say this or that just so the argument spirals out of control and people accuse me of defending him passionately. I just want to know what readers are expected to say for anyone to be convinced we aren’t defending Aeroc’s actions. Are we supposed to say Kloff did something good? Are we supposed to say Aeroc should have lived so Kloff could keep beating him? No one supports what Aeroc did, and no one is acting like Raphael’s death was fair. But saying readers are “brushing off” Aeroc’s actions is basically accusing readers of defending Aeroc's actions, which isn’t true.

The fact that this got 11 likes truly digsusts me so much that I need to respond.

People hate Kloff more than Aeroc because Aeroc acknowledges the wrong he committed. In desperation, he sent people to intimidate Raphael, trying to SCARE him away, where they then raped and killed Raphael. Aeroc never sent them to beat him up; however, Aeroc knows that it was his actions that caused Raphael to be killed, regardless, and he lives with that guilt for the rest of his life. So when Kloff subjects him to horrific abuse (rape, torture, starvation, forced pregnancy, even confining him to a shed) Aeroc never resists or speaks out. He accepts it all as the punishment he believes he deserves. THIS IS WHY PEOPLE CONTINUE TO LIKE AEROC.

If Kloff had only tortured and killed Aeroc, most people would have accepted it as vengeance, after all, Aeroc played a role in the death of Kloff’s wife and unborn child. But that isn’t what happened. And this is important to understand clearly: Kloff did not rape, torture, and force a pregnancy on Aeroc because of Raphael. He never loved Raphael. And if anyone tries to frame rape as a gesture of love or mourning, that in itself is disgusting. Kloff’s violence was intentional, rooted not in heartbreak, but in power, control, and resentment for Aeroc being an alpha. He didn’t act out of pain; he acted out of desire, entitlement, and the satisfaction of finally dominating Aeroc without consequence and treating him like an omega.

Kloff did what he did because Aeroc wasn’t an omega, and now he finally had the opportunity to make him one. Every act was deliberate, calculated, and intentionally cruel. He wasn’t spiraling or unstable, he was in control. The only point where his sanity could be questioned is after Aeroc’s death, not before.

I mean, they can brush it off so easily because Kloff is so much worse in comparison. Sure it is wrong to defend murder, even if it's unintentional, but I think people say it like that mostly in defense of Aeroc's character within the greater context of the story, which consists mostly of Aeroc being either miserable or regretful due to Kloff being the way he is. We live the story mostly through him so can you really blame people for trying to defend him?
I second what you said though.

No, apparently we’re all cheering for Aeroc's actions. That’s what the comment makes it sound like. It’s almost as if we’re expected to suddenly stop criticizing Kloff and pretend he doesn’t deserve every bit of the backlash he gets.

You are right as well. But some people are just not open to discussion and are not reading my comment like this, they just want one point and that's all, putting things in comment that I never said or alluded to, I'm just going not going to comment on this topic anymore.