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Wow, isn’t that kinda… disrespectful? What if what was behind the door wasn’t your key but the trauma monster that’s specifically out for my head and that I’ve barely just locked away and isn’t comfortable enough to talk about yet? What if even if it wasn’t dangerous for you, it was for me? It’s not always about you or other people, you know. What’s behind that door could just be all about me. Is it so hard to just not open the door? It’s not like the door is shared property, it’s personal property. It’s better to trust and regret than to doubt and regret. At least if everything goes to shit and it’s my fault, you could stand on the higher moral ground, looking down on me, all while being absolutely guilt-free. It’s not you, it’s just me. You get what I’m saying?

From a reader’s perspective, we can judge Seo all we want but personally, if I was involved, I just wish Natori would have just trusted Seo and waited for him to open up and not take things into his own hand even it was “for Seo’s sake”. Even if Seo’s reasons were completely ridiculous and dumb but maybe for him it was important. Even as kids, who doesn’t hate it when adults try to make us “hug and make up” with the kid who used the wrong color crayon to draw on our own paper? So ridiculous, but also so frustrating to not even be allowed to be angry and sulk because we all should be friends and get along well, we’re all family and what can’t be solved with just talking about it (yeah, f that (╯°Д °)╯╧╧).

I mean… Peace and Love. (▰˘◡˘▰)

that's exactly why you need to give me context. if you only say "just don't" then i will obviously be suspicious of you. if you want me to trust you, like seo is expecting of natori, at least give me an inkling as to why. it's easy to give a reason without fully exposing the details. a mere "my brother does weird things so please don't meet with him much" coupled with "im not really comfortable discussing it right now so please just trust me" would even be better. they're a relationship, they should communicate. im not even saying to just blame seo, im saying people are blaming natori ALONE as if what he did was completely irrational when if you think about it seo had some fault in it too.

what's more every time natori wanted to talk, seo just escapes and coerce him into having sex. ive even reread the recent chapters and seo never said to stay away from his brother but instead just said to stop talking about him. never did he say that it's dangerous to be near his brother. natori didn't have context, why would he expect his bf's brother to be a weirdo? seo was literally avoiding any point of conversation. if he so badly wanted for natori to stay away from his brother then he could've given even a bit of context. if you reread it yourself, no one point in the story did seo urge nor hint at natori about his brother being a str

+strange individual (lol i got cut off)

like cmon... "let natori just trust seo" trust what exactly? seo never said anything about his brother for him to trust. not one "he's weird", "he's messy", "stay away from him for me" simply he just went "stop talking about him" and had sex with natori every chance he got. what was there to "trust" against seo's brother??

Omg finally someone who said this. I cant understand why eberyone is blaming natori wjen its seo whos so fcking closed off like a mysterious entity

i mean i do get why people are getting annoyed by natori but they're literally acting like seo did nothing wrong PLUS ignoring the fact that the brother is a weirdo like are we really gonna blame natori for getting taken advantage of? that's peak victim blaming

I think it depends on an individual. I don't confront my bf about his problems. Like, if he wants to tell me, then he'll tell me. But, I'm an introvert. So I was not gonna go make conversation with other people to pry about his business.

that's understandable but seo is literally commanding natori to not meet his family in private. the least he could do is give context as to why he never said anything. again, why would anyone just assume that the brother is weird just from that statement alone. if he really wanted to prevent this from happening, he should've explained - not just give barely half the truth lol

Cause they need to keep the drama going lmao
And sometimes, there are people out there with bad communication skills.

im sure this arc is so seo could open up HOPEFULLY cause this problem has always been the root lol there's no diversity in the issues at all

They're gonna make up with sex anyways lmao it doesn't matter whether there is diversity or not

oh my god i hope they finally talk it out here cause god

Sure, sure, no one should blame Natori for being played but should anyone blame Seo for not opening up? Doesn’t he have the right, as a human being, to remain silent about personal, private things? He does, he does. Just as it wasn’t cool for Seo to get angry at Natori, the victim, for Natori to blame Seo for not opening up and make it the reason why what happened was Seo’s fault was also not cool at all. Natori is not a child and Seo is not his guardian. Natori as an adult, should have had the common sense to put up a guard somehow against someone he had just met even if it was his boyfriend’s brother. I mean, at that point, to Seo, it was his brother, but to Natori it was basically a stranger with the label of “lover’s brother”. Going inside a stranger’s house and getting black out drunk just cuz the convo’s going great… is Natori really not to blame for these two things? Sure, for getting his picture taken, it was 100% the brother being a psycho and just not normal in the head. Seo’s only fault was getting angry at Natori. Periodt.

If a relationship demands one to lay everything bare no matter how uncomfortable you might be or no matter how personal it is or how far away it is from your relationship, I’m sure the word for that is toxic. If the secret is something that involves the two in the relationship, the relationship itself, or the other person in a relationship, then that’s only what a proper relationship should demand to be laid out in the open. Other things are the privilege of those in the relationship to share or know about.

Or at least, that’s what my take is on this fight.

lil bro i literally said if people are gonna blame natori then they should blame both tf happened to reading?

if he really can't open up about the explanation THEN SAY EXACTLY THAT. HOW HARD IS IT TO SAY "i have a reason and it's complicated so i need to time before i can say" instead of just "stay away period" god

also yall acting like he was going off with some random stranger when that's literally his bf's brother seo never offered an explanation WHY he should stay away. you wouldn't expect a partner's family to try and make a mess of your relationship UNLESS you explained it or at least gave a bit of context.

This. I reread the manga from front to back and I completely agree. It's a recurring problem in their relationship, Natori being naive and Seo holding back, and it makes sense that it keeps causing them issues. Now, Natori is visibly making effort to be patient and understand Seo's feelings, even when he's not open about them. Seo hasn't been making the same effort.
Honestly, I wish they'd talked about it properly after the transfer arc. Natori seems like he would be more receptive when Seo warns him about people after what happened with Jun, as long as Seo actually communicates with him. After that arc, Seo could have revealed that he'd had suspicions about Natori's coworker, and Natori could show Seo that he'll be more aware IF Seo offers that information.
It would have been really interesting to see how this arc develops after they've made progress on the exact issue happening here, and it would have been a great way to show healthy communication and character development.

exactly

and if you'll say he might be on the fluctuating spectrum then no. cause as you can see he never experienced it, it never fluctuated. you think author will make it "fluctuate" out of convenience starting now just because the seme is here? i doubt. it's a failure of aromantic rep if he does fall in love romantically but i know readers want it to happen so

I'm pretty sure aromantic ppl can fall in love, but it takes longer to build the trust with someone than it would with a non aromantic person, like there has to be a deeper connection between them and the other person for them to feel romantic feelings if that makes sense

i believe that's under demiromantic which is until now being debated if it really should be under aromanticism cause they do still feel romantic attraction but needs a deeper connection. i dont get why it needs to be this complicated, as an aromantic person myself.

also i dont think he's under that too. he clearly said he tried it out before, to see if he can fall in love, but it never happened. do i doubt he's demiromantic. I've refreshed myself of the categories under aromanticism (including ones I generally don't agree with) and so far he only really fits under the general aromantic category.

he doesn't fluctuate
it doesn't matter if the other guy likes him or not
deeper connections also doesn't matter

so yeah it's pretty clear he's the standard aromantic description of a guy. if he falls in love then that rep is thrown away basically. i wonder what the author will do lol

I mean Japanese manga doesn't have a history of being the best representation of anything. even early "yaoi" was problematic af and only recently did it start to get better. the bi representation Is butchered with the "nOt aLL Men JuSt YoU" trope. so yeah I wouldn't expect anything grand out of this eather
also if he actually fell in love he might just be demiromantic ?

you're totally right about the bi rep but i guess the "not all men JUST YOU" would come really close to pansexuality because it's implying they like the person as they are but it still isn't perfect rep cause we gotta go through hoops to make the connection lol

also i kinda doubt he's demi since he said he tried dating someone to see if he'll eventually fall in love after being together for long but nothing came about it. i saw something about being grayromantic but im not really too keen about it, it just seems like a really specific term under demiromantic. it says little to no romantic attraction/only falls in love under VERY SPECIFIC circumstances (no offense to the people who's under this but this really just sounds like a demi with very specific preference and i wouldnt consider it aro, personally) - but if he's like this then imo he's as good as demiromantic ig

you're putting way too much faith in manga writers to assume pansexualinty since the guys always have a history with girls off topic but I'll never understand the famous internalised homophobia trope. it's been ran to the ground
also yeah I think demi would cut it better for him considering the direction of the plot

yeah was gonna say that too it's the closest thing to pan instead of bi but not really since there's a catch

Like you and the other person were talkin ab, representation is often butchered in these types of mangas lol, but realistically speaking, I think he could possibly be demi, even if he tried dating before, there could always be the factor of the person he tried to date just wasn't for him cause obv you won't fall for just anyone you spend time with, you could know someone for years and still not have the deep connection, I know that's how it is for me at least. As for the demi being apart of aro debate you were talking ab, I feel like they're separate but similar categories, ppl can be both or just one, considering some demi ppl can have romantic interest

I'm also an aro person, but I feel like it just depends on the person. Aro means little to no romantic attraction, so that doesn't mean every aromantic person is unable to feel that attraction at all

him being demi is the closest i can think so far. as for aromantic becoming a vague umbrella to categorize people, it's one of my gripes actually. i hope people just put terms that actually experience romantic attraction under a different umbrella cause it makes it even harder to just plainly say you're aromantic because it's filled with specifications that still experience them so there are people that still expects you to possibly experience it. idk if you get what i mean but basically if i say to people im aromantic and cant return their feelings then they wouldn't really expect that im completely unable to feel romantic attraction and hope that that there's still a chance even if there isn't just because there are categories that do. it renders the label useless cause instead of just me saying "im aromantic", i have to go into details what *kind* of aromantic i am. i believe these generic labels were supposed to sum up your preference without making it so complicated. so yeah... labels not being clear cut is counterproductive and i personally don't like it.

Yeah I totally get what you're saying, ppl often think it's odd that I don't have an interest in dating, and then I tell them I'm aro, I feel like it causes even more confusion because a lot of ppl don't understand the concept. I think aro ppl could possible feel the attraction but it'd be better if there was a different word for them, like semi-aro or smth lol, instead of every type being labeled the same

oh yes also thank you for being so understanding i felt so seen haha

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well that doesn't make sense cause theo isn't a maiden, and they borrow magic energy from the maidens. if you could get from another sorcerer then less sorcerers would go through the hassle of spending money to make and complete the ritual.

i think she just wants to get dicked down

i think the author will make it possible. and it's likely that the magic they get from fellow sorcerers are much much lesser than when they get from their own maidens plus it's more inconvenient when it's sorcerer to sorcerer since the original sorcerer would still have to get their own magic from their maiden. so in the end maidens are still needed but author can make it possible that a fellow sorcerer can also provide magic back since as seen in previous chapters, there has been instances that they used their own magic to heal/restore a human's energy.

yeah I see where you're coming from, it is possible.

well here's to hoping they dont do the deed anyways!