I get that he's in a messed up situation but overall, he's just not really doing anything. Like, it's clear as day the white hair and purple hair hyungs are fake. Yet he is doing nothing about it. And he keeps on extending his promise of, "I'm not gonna hurt anyone" and he's going to hurt everyone as soon as he finds the real one. So that's an empty promise anyway.
I also don't understand why he's out and about having these private conversations with some of them and then turning around a speaking about it again. Like, for a second, I thought that he was gonna be smart and dismiss the white hair one and say that he gets to decided whose fake or not and that's that. But he instead giving him the play by play of his conversation with another hyung with a time stamp? And he didn't even think that it was weird that he was being asked the questions. LIKE, be better.
So true.
Honestly, seeing how hurt Itonaga is in the present by what this guy did to him in the past says so much. He is still hurt and I guess the manga means to suggest that he is better than he was before and that he regrets his past actions but... I mean, he didn't even outright bring it up and apologize.
Realistically, the two should not be together. Especially when it hurts him this much.
I'm sure they really love each other and it was back then too. The bullying was not because of dislike but because of like. Not knowing how to react he became a bully. It is not a pleasent experience exploring your own self if you don't fit in.
It doesn't make the present any better. They should talk about their relationship and cleare it up. But on the other hand doing it in the first chapter would mean we don't hvd a story, so we have drama
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Good looking guy with A grade loyalty, a great personality, a good job, and great cooking skills has no self-worth. Is used by his "best" friend and the guy he loves for sex. Ends up with that guy despite the dude not doing anything that even remotely makes up for being treated like a sex toy for 10 years. Deserved better but eagerly accepts because he doesn't love himself.
Haero was very hurt and very damaged and he had the type of means that enabled him to just pick up and go. That's what he did as a child, it's what he did as a young adult. Add on to that that Don was honestly not mature at all really. For example, his family going through rough times since he was in middle school but it NEVER occurred to him to make some side money? Teens in Korea can have jobs. He could have made a little money in highschool and if not then, he should have started a part time job as soon as uni started. Haero had too many issues for someone with no experience to work out well with him.
Don was naive and simple but always well meaning. His feelings for Haero were legit but he had no understanding of how to juggle real world struggles and relationship struggles. He jumped in headfirst with Haero but he sadly gave him nothing. Think about it. Sure they got together and Haero was happier but he was never just happy. Haero needed someone who was loving but strong. Don couldn't be his strength though.
Don wasn't there for Haero when Haero needed because he didn't know how to be and that's okay. When that became very apparent, Haero decided to leave. He didn't want to be a burden and he didn't think his issues should be Don's. Once Don matured, they would be. Now, seems like Haero knows that loving someone means taking the good with the bad. Don is hurt. When push came to shove, Haero ran away and put up no fight. If he had then Don would have fought with him and for him. Adding insult to injury, his life just went to a really bad place when Haero left. Heart ache, wondering, worrying, losing. It broke him.
A rare find too. No jealous or conniving girls. No secret past. No special meeting. No near death experiences. No second dude who challenges the relationship. No "I'm gay??????????? Nani!?!?". No forced sex. No verbal miscommunications or understandings. No angst. No curve balls.
This is just the story of two guys who meet through work, start hanging out, and eventually develop romantic feelings for each other. It stays light the whole time but it's never super fluffy either. 10 out of 10
I can acknowledge that he was horrible but he honestly has the best chance of redemption out of this group. He can turn a new leaf. He can become a better person by simply changing how he talks to people. He may have done spiteful things to Rina after finding out she cheated and he was verbally abusive before then but it's not like he hid who he was or took advantage of Rina. Furthermore, even after being cheated on, he could have been worse tbh. And I know that's a bad scale to go by but considering what he could have done, he kept things pretty civil. It's been made clear that no one else ever told him that he can't act how he was and seeing his sister be how she is, I'd bet he has his reasons for being so harsh though treating Rina how he did was bad and wrong.
With all things considered he could easily fix how he treats other and how he speaks and just generally be a good person. Rina never tried to get him to change though. If she had put the effort that she put into her schemes into leaving or confronting Wataru and working on having a healthier, happier relationship then we all know that she would have had results considering how elaborate her plans were. So on that front, I felt like it was a tiny bit unfair for Azu to say what she said without acknowledging that because one thing that you could tell was that Wataru did have real feelings for Rina. Especially because if you fix how he talks to people, that's his only flaw. Maybe I'm being too easy on him but I just feel like he could easily start learning healthier ways to communicate.
Exactly! Im glad someone think that too
Yes you're being too easy on him bc you're making psychological abuse seem like something naive from someone who just has problems communicating instead of a man who controlled Rina and only wanted her like that. Did you forget how she misinterpreted his pathological jealously as love and when she realized it wasn't like she was already married yo him and had kids which left her in a bad position bc despite having a job she was still economically dependent on him and had the less chances than him to get custody of her kids, actually we already saw how he used his kids to get revenge on her, classic him. Immature and petty.
She would definitely have had more chances of getting custody if she hadn't cheated and statistically, she would still have a higher chance of ending up with the children in a court of law. And sadly, psychological abuse can sometimes be more the result of naivete, a lack of awareness, or nurture than malicious intent. Wataru is very immature and petty. I completely agree that he is but that's not a horrible thing to be and one can easily grow from that. Add on to that that he isn't wrong in saying that cheating can be reflective of a lack of care for your children. Rina had the choice of divorce and she didn't want to choose it until she had Junpei. It was not an ideal position to be in but even in Japan, if she had filed then she would have been likely to end up with full custody and good child support and Wataru wouldn't have had much against her in court but she cheated instead. Also, Rina's misinterpreting Wataru's jealousy as love only really support's the idea that Rina can't read any emotions well since she also believed Junpei was madly in love her for no good reason. She just can't read emotion at all.
If you're going to bring reality into this then I can't even argue with you bc despite Rina cheating in real life she still have more chances to get her children (being the mother and the kids being so young) and child support though then again Wataru is the one with money that seems that doesn't even care about his children bc he prefers to leave them with a mother that actually doesn't seem like she neglected them and loves them too.
Poor communication leading to abuse... yeah you should look up into that one. Slandering isn't even close to that.
Rina doesn't realizing that isn't love isn't even something pathological since it's so common in that kinda cultures and environments. So it's not something to take in regards in the terms you put it. You should look more into too.
It seems that when people here point out that Wataru was a little shit you automatically think that Rina isn't. That isn't the case so putting fault into Rina isn't going to make Wataru look less bad honestly.
I never denied Wataru being bad. I stated that realistically, he was easily redeemable while Rina was not and nothing has been put forth to change that. Verbal abuse can absolutely be the result of poor communication skills or a lack thereof. It has time and time again been the result of children being raised in harsh environments. Sometimes it can come from those who are on the spectrum who never received proper care or those who lack the experience to build the social skills to know better. As children, you learn where your boundaries are with speech and some people never really are taught those boundaries. That doesn't mean that what they go on to do isn't bad but it is something that can easily be changed.
Someone going to the lengths Rina did to try and secure Junpei though... manipulative, crazy, and abusive. A different beast. When Wataru brought his children into the mix, he thought that he could use them to force Rina to change, apologize ,and come back. Horrible but the intent was to just get his wife back. Rina on the other hand, called Azu and spoke to her child calling herself her new mommy. That's just crazy with no other intent behind it. Plus, Rina only cared about her children when she wasn't going after Junpei but Wataru just left his children to his wife because that's what a lot of working father's do. Again, that's something that can easily be fixed because at his core, he's not crazy!
Despite how she was hurt and taken advantage of by everyone in that room, she's still treating everybody with the utmost respect.
She honestly deserves better and it's a little bit disheartening to see her stick by Junpei when he's really done nothing to denote shame and regret to her. The worst part is honestly knowing that he would have continued with the affair if he was never caught in the act. Azu basically had to have a path set up for her to cheat and she still couldn't go through with it because she loved Junpei that much. And to be honest, I can't even consider that cheating. After you get caught cheating, you are basically demoted from partner and she had already told Junpei divorce was on the way. Azu is a clean slate and I kind of wish she would end up a happy single mom and get a continuation with a new guy.
Couldn’t said it better!!!
Absolutely right just wtf Junpei did to redeem himself after he got caught - NOTHING
Preach! They would have been better off as friends or something, they could have made the plot of forgiven someone after an affair without the two actually ending up together.
And the fact that Junpei was so upset after Azu BARELY cheated on him ONCE while he was out and about going on dates Rina for like 6 months or so i think and also dicking her probably more then once is absolutely astonishing.
You know how there's 100 different yaoi/shounen-ai story's where the uke has issues because their faceless, nameless seme decided that he wanted to get married. That being the case, I hope he ends up alone and then falls off a cliff.
And poor Ume. If anybody needed to be told to love their self, it's him. I can't believe that he's out here, making this dude meals everyday. Treating this dude like a king.
Dead parents and no friends. He lives with his Grandmother but they are so poor that she works all day and night during the week. He's gay and his first love was some perverted teacher who purposely targets students repeatedly.
Like, I don't even know how the author wants me to feel about Chase but right now, he makes me sad.
i feel like it'll get more sadder once he knows that joel is jesse's father, or he'll get his heart broken again...
WOW now that you put all of these points together....it hit so hard....
You are right, he's such a pitiful character and I feel bad for him...