Sooo what do you guys think about the new chapter? I'm honestly just uncomfortable. VERY uncomfortable. I had high expectations for their dynamic/rivalry at the beginning, maybe TOO high, because how is this any different from all the other toxic BLs that start with rape?? I mean it's not like I wasn't expecting this AT ALL (see for example the masturbation scene at the bar), but I'm still disappointed it ended up as expected... and it wasn't even the usual "rape but at the very least the mc ends up enjoying it" (which is still unjustifiable rape and still disgusting but you know what I mean, at least it didn't hurt), he's clearly in terrible pain here :/
I was expecting them to fight a bit and Rian eventually giving up for some reason, maybe because he wanted to try bottoming for Enzo, NOT TO SEE HIM TIED UP AND VIOLENTLY RAPED WTFFFF
Am I overreacting if I say I want to drop it already even though I was so excited? I can't see this get any less toxic
I’m just disappointed lol. Not even mad, just disappointed because I can’t even be surprised at this point. Seems like it’s compulsory for every single manhwa to have a rape scene somewhere.
No, you're not overreacting. Given Red Candy I really didn't think the author would go here and was looking forward to an antagonistic dynamic. Last chapter I was hoping Uno would be able to bolt, but instead we got rape. I'm mad af, especially since I've been buying this one as it goes along.
I really liked the dynamics and everything in the manhwa and surely i desperately wanted and hoped that won't put rape in the story .... Kind of disappointed really.. But still gonna read it so as to see how the plot line progresses. Honestly it is just sad that author's put rape in the story and call it dark romance... In all honesty I would say its just bad writing if putting rape is equivalent of dark romance ...
Exactly, maybe my expectations were so high because of Red Candy. The premise of Uno and Enzo's relationship was clearly toxic (I mean, have you seen Enzo? He's a walking red flag) but I thought "come on, after Red Candy and considering how much the author clearly likes Uno it CAN'T be THAT toxic, right??"
The thing is that you can do toxic without sexual violence and that's what I was hoping for. I think it's wild that people are like "of course he was going to rape him," like excuse me? A red flag does not have to be a rapist.
Idk what you were expecting tbh but I was expecting it all..cause like, we're talking about a spy agent and a tyrannical ceo who has connections with the mafia so....yeah ! I'm not saying that it's ok but that it makes sense and that it goes without saying that things were going to be poisonous at some point, like ain't no way their relationship was gonna be sweet like dripping honey or start on the right foot. If anything, when I signed up for this ride I anticipated every plausible scenario, the toxicity included !
And for the people who actually don't really understand in depth that Uno has always been a proud "exclusive" top, it means that "there's absolutely not a chance he was gonna bottom overnight of his own free will" ! So imo, him getting forced into it was one of the forseeable scenarios, alongside him bolting away.
I love it when stories are wholesome and go smoothly without a hitch but i also find it as enjoyable when everything goes wrong before it gets better !
And if the violence of Enzo's actions (throwing Uno from idk what floor into the fountain, the manhandling, the spanking, the getting rid of everyone for his own gain, etc...) comes as too brutal sometimes, it shouldn't be shocking i think, it has always been an indicator of how much of a monster he was. I never thought that Uno matched Enzo's freak btw, Adrian is too mild for him -and Enzo is too deviant- that's why one of the reasons I tuned in for the story is to watch him crumble and get tamed after falling in love ~
Soooo in conclusion, ain't no way imma drop this just because of this incident, if anything, I'm more hyped up after this chapter to witness the shift in their dynamic, that sure must have been a bitter pill to swallow for Uno and I'm sooo ready to see him trigger the chase and make Enzo miserable ! ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
All in all, Uno had to suffer the moment he got tangled up with Enzo, and I acknowledged it a long time ago, I just look forward Enzo suffering in return ~
That was my opinion, even if it's not the widespread viewpoint and that we don't see eye-to-eye, I hope we can discuss things amicably (=・ω・=)
I’d understand being uncomfortable, but context and just…reading the room is crucial. This is BL.
One man is quite literally a criminal and shows sadistic tendencies. The cards are all laid out. Simply put, if this isn’t your cup of tea, it’s okay to turn away. But everything seems to be at the right place characterization-wise so I don’t see any issues beyond people wanting a story to conform to their limits of consumption.
Don’t like, don’t read.
I do respect your opinion don't worry, I actually love that you took the time to explain your point of view without insulting other opinions or anything :)
In fact I also read some toxic stories, but in those cases I knew what I was signing up for since the beginning (e.g. when I'm in the mood to read some regret/redemption stories, or when I know that the male lead is actually somebody else that isn't a red flag). In this case I had hope for that particular antagonistic cat-dog dynamic they seemed to have in the beginning, and for them to be at least a bit equal, but it ended up falling into the exact same old trope that 80% of BL authors insert (rape + top that in the end always has the upperhand in every way) so I was left disappointed. Had I known about what would happen before I started reading I would have had lower or at least different expectations regarding their relationship and I wouldn't have been as disappointed. I also realized just HOW MUCH Enzo actually doesn't give a fuck about Rian or his comfort at this point in the story (he's just obsessed with a new interesting toy, ultimately an object, it's not a relationship of mutual intrigue/respect for the other's abilities like I hoped). So yeah, in the end it's partially due to the change compared to what I had in mind ╥﹏╥
I'm dropping this until at least this season is concluded to see if the author has something in mind for Enzo's character
Also, important thing to say is that this particular scene would have still made me uncomfortable regardless of what I was expecting, it's just that I hoped for their start to be better than this...
Guys I'm letting this marinate, is the ending near? Do you think I should wait a bit more?
well the season 1 just end last month, and the season 2 would prob be release next year so you can wait for a year or two
Two things:
1) This is a MANHUA???? WHAAAAT, from the art style and storytelling I would have been 150% sure that this was a manhwa if I hadn't seen the chinese title
2) If this isn't harem (which I hope it is, but due to the fact that the main character is a woman I'm keeping my expectations below 0) I'm not accepting anyone as the final male lead unless it's Miel , I LOVE HIM SO MUCH!!!
This will be very long, brace yourselves...
This is TOP TIER!!!! The premise is very overdone (child mc, terminally-ill female lead who's originally an extra, etc.) BUT everything else is a breath of fresh air!
First of all the male lead: I don't think I ever saw a male lead with his personality, I usually only see it in female leads' older brothers in other childcare stories. He's an ABSOLUTE MENACE of a brat, but surprisingly not annoying in any way! He's such a cutie, I can understand why his family (and everybody else) dotes on him so much (≧∀≦). Which brings me to another original point: the male lead's and female lead's backgrounds. As some people already said, it's usually always a cheerful and loved female lead 'saving' the traumatized, emotionless male lead from an abusive environment, while here it's the opposite: the male lead is loved and doted on by those around him and is an absolute extrovert who decided to adopt the 'cold-hearted' introvert female lead and heal her, both physically and emotionally. I love this change so much! It completely changes the perspective.
Another character I love to death is Mehen, the female lead's 'mom'. He's such a welcome change from the usual cold father figures who eventually become doting fathers. I mean, it's similar, but his motherly (lol) personality is very different from usual, not to mention the fact that he's not actually what would be the 'main/official dad' (a duke/king/emperor) but only a subordinate of the presumed father who took on the role of raising the female lead. His love for the fl and their emotional connection feels so real and moving! Father-daughter relationships in this kind of manhwas are almost always more comedic and stereotyped, if you know what I mean? I think this is the only one like this other than My Daddy Hides His Powers, my absolute favorite story of this genre.
ALSO, another thing I love is how the female lead's previous life and traumas aren't just brushed off like most authors tend to do. Here, her previous life has a clear impact on her current mental health, and the story will probably focus on her gradually overcoming it. This is another aspect that I only found in very few stories, and it's one of my favorite tropes ever!
I wasn't expecting much but this manhwa really has all I usually ask for in a rofan with a child mc, I'm so sad I can't go binge-read the novel raws as it's still ongoing
I just randomly remembered this manga that I loved like 8 years ago and tried to forget because I couldn't find the continuation. I hate myself so I'm going to reread this and suffer again from knowing I'll most likely never know the ending ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Does anybody know if the official japanese chapters are also published online or if only the physical volumes are sold?
Ch.1-3 was SO GOODDDDD it flew into my favorites right away. I love office romance enemies-to-lovers so much!
I bet if the manga was only their story without ch.4-6, the general ratings would be AT LEAST 9.
I'm gonna put 5 stars just for them, ignoring the rest
Oh HELL no, I'm dropping this at ch.2. I was already VERY uncomfortable with the uke's creepy and pushy attitude towards the seme, but WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT AT CHAPTER 2 it made me want to vomit. That's rape!!! (there was no penetration but I'm still going to consider 'rape' a forced blowjob while two other men HELD HIM IN PLACE and while he clearly HATED every single second of it.)
It seems like the author wants to make us believe that it's not that big of a deal because the uke is so 'smol and innocent' and because the one going through such a traumatic experience was the seme, but IT DOESN'T MATTER!! That's still a crime and it's still disgusting. And he even has the face to play the victim afterwards?? FUCK HIM. I can't read a story where I hate the main character and want to beat him up, I'm out.
OMG I TOTALLY FORGOT THIS MANHWA EXISTEDDDDD
I'm pretty sure that this was one of the very first korean BLs I ever read and I remember loving it so much! Now I NEED to reread
I just finished rereading and I realized that I believed I had finished it, but actually only read the first part
I'm so glad the author decided to continue and not end the story yet! This work wouldn't feel complete without season 2, and I think I actually liked it even more than season 1. All in all I loved this much more after rereading, this is gold!! So many loose ends were tied up with the continuation, no unnecessary drama ever happened between the leads (which is what usually happens especially when a part 2 or side story comes out because authors don't know how to spice up the story), and the only 'fights' they had were solved almost immediately with communication (which is amazing because they weren't just petty fights, other non-communicative couples from other stories would have stopped talking for 10 years or something). The author also got better and better at storytelling and at depicting the emotions of the characters and relationships between them, especially Giovanni's relationship with his dad (I love that man so much!!). I was a bit disappointed that his mother seemed to remain passive for 95% of the story though, she seemed to barely try to reconnect with Giovanni :/
I usually always root for poly, I LOVE poly endings (which I know it is), but there are exceptions and... this is one of them. Seungho is pissing me off oh my goddddd, I'm so mad that Jian forgave him so easily!! I'm not talking about kind of sleeping with that other idol (although I wasn't exactly thrilled having to see that, wtf author), because Jian is also playing them both honestly speaking... but that whole thing about sleeping with him just because he was mad at Dokyeon?? I would be SO fucking mad in Jian's place... and that "I don't know why you like Jian"?!?!?! THROW THE WHOLE MAN AWAYYYY
I know that he still probably has to realize his own feelings but, why would you choose that asshole instead of just being with Dokyeon the cutie pie?? I was feeling bad for both of them due to Jian declaring his feelings for both but still sleeping with the other (again, I know it's poly but they all don't know that yet, ykwim?), but now I just feel bad for Dokyeon...
Oh come onnnn I wanted to see more of Haemin being badass, not more incoming smut!!!!
I did love seeing their happy little family together though if something happens to any of them I'm gonna be CRUSHED