http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/bj_alex/uu/bj_alex-chapter-80/6/
I've been pretty apathetic reading this for a long while now (ever since that violent chapter, just kept on reading for Chawoon), but that was actually the first time it felt like a sincerely unselfish action from Jiwon. So, props.
I can't get over Kashiwagi (Mr. Tall and Haughty elite) spazzing out when Kyuu-san initiated a french kiss.
But honestly, Kyuu-san, you wonderful human being, take it easy. You're no good to Japan dead.
Oh wow. This is taking me back to reading fanfics about old school dystopic A/B/O where you can actually feel how shitty and scary it was being an Omega. I do hope bboy continues to commission more storylines that don't romanticize it at all (*side-eyes Omegaverse Project*) and focus more on the dystopian aspect of Omegaverse, which was what got me so interested originally.
These two are trust fund babies. No one's going to dissuade me from this. How else can they afford committing so many hours towards their adorable "vigilante" lifestyle while working on a cafe/owning an office with that kind of view?
AHAHA
Omg im crying
I thought I was in for a fluffy read but I got slapped by noncon instead. Should've read the comments further in. #－.－) To those that care, here's your warning. To those that don't, enjoy.
You’re ridiculous
That 15 years kept distracting me. Good thing someone posted raws. It's the summer from 1 and a half years ago (１年半前の夏).
That makes me feel so much better because I was like "uhhh.. 19 minus 15 would mean he scouted him at 4" lol
Ahh didn't mean to downvote!
Literally same I just figured that it was a translation error
Good I was going crazy....I started doubting my math skills there for a few minutes...
That was one huge-ass four-year old. Talking fluently like I can't manage at 41 (neither before nor after my first coffee).
So relieved. Just one and a half year. Just that.
I think the people hating on Shiba don't realise that Tokizou is an unreliable narrator, and very much a flawed character. Like, he literally has that train of thought in Ch1 ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/it_can_t_be_mutual_love/mkk/mk_chapter-1/29/) where he makes Shiba be this bad guy in his head just so he can deal with it and hide his feelings. That's probably the way he's been doing it all these years to give up. But he keeps failing for 25 years, so there is something to Shiba that's made Tokizou continue loving him despite that cowardly way of dealing with his love.
If you ask me, Shiba's been nothing but considerate of Tokizou's wellbeing since the start--he also pretty much knows how Tokizou reacts to things. So I'm more likely to believe Shiba when he says Tokizou is being mean (instead of Tokizou spouting how Shiba's an ass--that's his defense mechanism talking). I'd cut Shiba some slack on continuing with his quick marriage 'cause the guy probably got whiplash from the revelation and he got stuck in a Catch-22 situation where he had to get married while still battling with his feelings. Yeah, even having him make the speech was a Catch-22--what else was Shiba gonna do, he's his best friend--if Tokizou wasn't the one who did the best man speech, Tokizou would still be hurt 'cause he'd surely wonder WHY he's not the best man.
Just listen to Uda. he speaks the truth (and is most likely his literary function as a 3rd main character on a BL that usually only has 2--to provide an unbiased view and throwing truth bombs left and right). So far he's said that Tokizou thinks the worst of people and buries his head in the sand (even Tokizou says he'd shy away if things start turning to shit). And Uda's cottoned on that there's something else with what really happened on the divorce (*teehee* I actually know what that is 'cause I listened to the BLCD with my shitty Japanese).
At the core of it, it's really just a story of two insecure men who didn't make the best decisions in their lives just to make sure they don't rattle their relationship and lose each other. I love it. ┗( T﹏T )┛
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/afureru_namida_o_nomikondanara/mrk/m_v-1-chapter-2/12/
Darn that's hot... Miharu's shoes, I mean. ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
Just reading through the comments and I'd like to get one thing straight (pfft), Camilo stopped respecting Teo's boundaries the moment he took advantage of Teo's blind drunk state and took off his clothes. Teo wasn't the only one Camilo was directing his so aptly put, "... blame it all on alcohol." He just knew what actions would go too far and adds credence that he's at the end of his tether (with his unrequited love).
By the way, both the seiyuu in the BLCD had the sweetest voice, esp. Camilo, but I loved Teo's roughness more. All-in-all a pretty good listen. Defo recommend.
Lmao tbh true. I love them both so much but can y'all stop with "Camilo never took advantage of Teo" thing when in fact Camilo only touch Teo when he's drunk af and let the alcohol get to him ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I disagree..Camilo asked permission while Teo was sober. He was giving Teo an excuse to blame it on alcohol rather than Teos bl feelings. This is the most consensual yaoi I've ever read and Camilo is the first seme to really treasure and take his time. IMHO
If that's true, then the title for this story would've been "Grapefruit Shampoo & Teo's Sexuality Crisis", not "Liquor & Cigarette" (both inherently bad for your health, but people still drink/smoke because it makes them feel good; to clarify, it's how they go about their relationship--not the queer feelings). But even without talking about the thematic title, I can tell you two things that can be textually supported by the story:
1. Teo did not say yes. And no, silence does not mean yes. (Even in the BLCD where there's a bit of extra dialogue, there isn't any response, not even the very easy to say "un").
2. Teo was "super drunk right now" when Camilo says to blame it on alcohol so any answer he says is practically moot. Consent can't be given when you're way under the influence (Why so? See all the times Teo can't remember all the details of the day before).
We know yaoi as a genre is riddled with the rape trope, but your baseline for respect shouldn't be "well, he stopped before he would penetrate me anally." Consent? Consent isn't given once and then it's free-for-all for the entirety of your relationship. Even married people need consent from their partners or else it'll be marital rape. BDSM? You can revoke consent any time even if you've got a binding contract. I'm not even going to open the can of worms that is somnophilia, which the story heavily hinges on.
The only reason this story works so well (and made it a very compelling read) is that Teo's been aware of Camilo's feelings for awhile, and underneath all that the love is mutual. It's dubious consent at best, because Camilo knows Teo's limits (remember when Camilo says he's not doing the things that would make Teo cry?). Had Teo's amorous feelings been non-existent, or worse, a different person done the things Camilo did, this story would've taken a darker turn.
It's OK to agree to disagree bease the's areally our opinions...but really, it's called liquor and cigarettes b/c those are the shops the uke and seme own...2 things usually consumed together and compliment each other. Teo lampshades that he is purposefully drinking so he can continue to do these things with Camillo more than once b/c he doesn't want to accept he is a bottom bisexual; also his mental comments while drunk are damned lucid too and he's not thinking 'no I don't want this' at any time. He even asks for a longer trial period while he works his sexuality confusion out. I still give points to Camille for asking permission...Teo okayed the initial trial period, I don't think he needed to explicitly say yes to every little thing after the big ok. You say married couples need consent...well that is irl not in yaoi, right? It doesn't apply here. Still Camille asks for specific rewards...kissing..kissing and petting, using his hands and mouth, touching a bit more THERE.When Teo wanted to stop he was able to push Camille away with ease and Camille didn't pressure him.
I haven't read much of Zariya's works, but the little I have I've appreciated the thought and the layers she adds to her stories, even if from what I've read, they always seem to play fast and loose with consent. So of course the liquor and cigarette has a deeper meaning. She could've randomly chosen anything else that wouldn't mean anything beyond being a shop owner.
The fact that you're going out of your way to excuse Teo and Camilo's behaviour just goes to show that what Camilo did wasn't in the right. You're right, you don't need to ask for every little thing, but another fact is, they started this relationship in the wrong foot--blaming it on the alcohol already sets this up as a morally grey story.
So no, this story is not a very good example of a fully consensual relationship. If anything, Diego should be the one readers should be gushing about. He was the perfect foil for both Camilo and Teo.
Also, please stop using "it's just yaoi" as a crutch. There are unfortunately young readers on this site who can't easily tell what is right behaviour from wrong. And when readers say things like this is consensual, or that there's no taking advantage, it sends the wrong message. This isn't a matter of a difference in opinion. Let's call a spade a spade. Enjoy what you read, but at least be aware enough of what's wrong and still appreciate it for what it is.
Yaoi has it's own formula from a writer's perspective so I'm not using it as a crutch by any means and you are right there are a lot of young kids on here who are romanticizing about some seriously disturbing stories...(their parents should be more vigilant and at least have conversations about the material) but this is not one of them. BTW I never wrote that this story is 'a very good example of a fully consensual relationship' I said it is the most consensual yaoi I've read so far. What we have here is a difference of opinion and you and I are not going to persuade the other b/c our perspectives are different, I'm okay with that.
You need to reconsider your understanding of consent.
A drunk person cannot consent.
An unconscious person cannot consent.
That's all there is to it in this matter and what I've repeated since the very start. I am not okay with you saying this is a difference in opinion, because being taken advantage of (esp. women) while drunk is a real-world problem that's more likely to happen to a reader here than any of the other disturbing BL you mention. Learn to recognize the signs.
Teo agreed to date knowing kissing and touching would be involved. He agreed while sober. Ergo, consent. He was more comfortable with intimacy after drinking...at least at first..Let go of your own hangup and just accept it. I'd be happy to recommend some omega verse or rape-based relationship yaoI so that you can compare those to this one and arrive at the same conclusion I did in my first response above. Again I'm comparing yaoi fiction to yaoi fiction, not Real life. When I traded comments with you I made some assumptions 1. You DO realize this type of fiction is not remotely a mirror of true (homosexual) relationships. 2. You have read enough of this genre to understand that there is a basic formula in the writing.3. You are actually reading my comments in full not just to the point where they piss you off. I guess I gave you too much credit b/c you are more focused on real life, which is off topic. Yes in real life I'd agree wholeheartedly with you on most of your points but it's dumb to hold yaoi under a microscope for real world analysis.BTW... The readers here may be more prepared to NOT get taken advantage of by drugged drinks or drinking too much or date rape b/c they've read about those situations. Just a thought. Stay positive. Peace
Mate, why would I get pissed off? It's a discussion. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Also, I think I kinda understand why you keep explaining what happened throughout the story from the way I phrased it (as if Camilo and Teo didn't have a character growth) when the original intention of my comment was to dispel the comments here that Camilo "never took advantage" or "respected boundaries."
I'd rather err on the side of caution here and tell users what at least was wrong, because honestly, I've conversed with readers here who, at worst, thought that rape = having sex with the person you don't love. Wait, I think you were in that convo, too, iirc.
I disagree that it's dumb to hold BL for real world analysis, just on the basis that it's fun, and it makes me appreciate the work more (like this one does). Just because the genre is littered with erotica doesn't mean it's a lesser work. That's the kind of thinking that makes the world not take (Harlequin-type) romance novels seriously. So many good works, especially works authored by women, are disregarded 'cause it's got erotica tacked on it when there's clearly more to it than that.
The art is pretty and the summary and the relationship
dynamics sound great... in theory. The pacing started okay, but then it just flowed weirdly. Their characterizations were all over the place. I imagine their motivations came from the author throwing those sticky slime balls on the wall to see which would stick (spoilers: none of them did). At this point, I don't even know what needs resolving since we seem to be stuck at the whim of the mangaka's story outline-- and that is what it all boils down to-- bullet points that needed to be met.
I guess I wrote this because it could've been great, but everything just fell flat. Does anyone have any recommendation that is similar to this, but better executed?