He knows what's wrong with his hyung but he won't properly confront him because he likes the sex with his alter ego. He is ready to date a fractured version of the person he supposedly loves and even goes as far as encouraging it by telling the alter ego to come out in the daytime but still won't get the help the seme needs, even though he knows what he is doing is wrong to the person he says he loves. Well that's not love, that's just selfishness. The seme's character is equally baffling, he is suppressing his feelings for uke because of his guilt at feeling those feelings for uke. He thinks the uke won't accept them, but it's so very clear that the uke would not only accept but also reciprocate. They are both ready to damage their long, meaningful relationship and grow distant but won't just talk about the feelings they both KNOW they feel MUTUALLY. So counterintuitive. So stupid...writer if you think this is believable, this isn't. Your characters are neither likeable nor believable. Your plot doesn't make much sense either. The seme seeing the uke being disturbed at seeing him bashing up his bullies doesn't look like enough reason for the kind of trauma that would result in a split personality. A split personality occurs when the person is completely incapable of handling the trauma because the trauma is extremely intense and overwhelming. Feeling a little more than uncomfortable or AwkWArd is not a good enough reason for developing a dissociative disorder. Dropping this dumb shit.
Basically this story is about how characters would rather grow split personalities than just talk to each other even though they are supposed to be close and know the other one is hiding something. The typical forced and insincere lack of communication trope in BL taken to extremes. They maybe studying science but can't connect the very obvious dots if their lives depended on it. Sigh.
The uke was ALSO a pro athlete, a defender no less but his musculature is so underdeveloped as compared to the seme like this does NOT make any sense! He doesn't even have four pack abs like get the hell Outta here. At least stay true to your own characterisation writer!
I mean, just bc he was an athlete does not mean he will retain the same physique just bc hes a coach. It makes sense that he wouodnt since he suffered a severe injury and isn't an athlete anymore. Hes not out of shape but hes also not at peak condition anymore. I'm not sure what you were expecting. He has no reason to maintain peak performance anymore. I think he looks good and its great that he still wants to be involved with a sport he loves even though he lost the ability to participate at such a young age.
That's just plain wrong. Athletes who train their bodies since childhood don't just lose it that quickly, even if they don't play for a while. Also, have you seen pro football team physical coaches? They have to maintain good physique as well to be able to do their job well. Also, the uke here was a defender. If you have seen actual pro football, defenders are usually taller and bulkier because of their game position. Defenders are taller and bulkier than strikers, the seme is a striker and yet is taller and bulkier than the uke. This is not believable characterisation. Also, as if there aren't other BL manhwas where ukes are flanderized to suit fan service and not because of the need of the story itself. This manhwa's aesthetics are no different. The only difference between my point and your counterpoint is you simply want to excuse the fanservice, and I don't.
I agree with your point but we do have to factor in how our boy had an injury which literally made him immobile and not being able to move properly quickly takes away muscle mass ya know. just a month on the hospital will change you. And for an Injuriy like our boy i bet it took months upon months to heal and another months upon months on physical Therapy and only after that can he doo mild cardio and work out to build up his stamina again, change his diet, and only after that can he properly work on hus muscles again. Although abs are easier to gain for men because of their low fat percentage, it is in fact the hardest muscle to build over all, so bro could be really fit and not have abs or only show lines if he huffs and puffs.
It is definitely fanservice as well ....Just like Seme is somehow able to have really defined abs any time of the day, which is also unrealistic. And yes Defenders then to be bigger but doesn't mean thats the set body of a defender, if a person performs well enough doe it preferable if the defender is bigger person its still a variable. And yes Ukes tend to be too much like twings and such but in this case i think this Uke is one of the more okay cases, hes skin is definitely ghostly i have to admit.
Nope. This case is the same as the rest. Yes the rare defenders are not as tall but exception isn't the rule. If it were an exception, the writer would typically justify it in her writing but there no talk of that in this manhwa. I can't just assume something because it helps me with the guilty of justifying the fan service.
The uke's body is toned at best and has no visible muscles. Even the physical coaches' bodies are muscley in real life, this is international sports, it's hella competitive and extremely high stakes. You gotta be strong to treat strong bodies. Plus optics.
And this isn't the only manhwa where where I have seen seme and uke in the same game but highly different musculature (blaze out, melting point, both smaller petite uke, big muscley seme and they are baseball and ice hockey players where the players need to have the buffiest bodies, just a nature of the sport).
Similarly, this manhwa is also typical plain fanservice AND twinkification because I am one hundred percent sure (and I bet you can't deny it either) is if it were the seme who were the defender and if it were him that had the accident, he would STILL have the eight pack abs and above six feet tall anyway.
That quickly??? Bro did you see that scar? I've known people who get badly hurt and are bedridden and lose plenty of muscle bc they can't continue their regular routines. I'm not sure how you expect someone to maintain a body at peak condition when they were probably healing for months on end. And like I said, there isn't really a reason for him to be at a gym or practice especially if he had to work a job and go to school to be a coach. It is believable just not to your unrealistic standards.
OP needs to realize that you can lose muscle quickly. Just look it up. There's plenty of examples. Also, the bottom isn't fat or so-called twinkified. Hes not even that feminine. He just lost a little muscle and isn't the same height as the top (i forgot their names lol)
The defined abs is definitely fanservice lol but thats in almost any romance. Whether it's bl or hetero, etc
You are ignoring all the rest of the sports manhwas where ukes are deliberately drawn smaller and daintier than the seme where they both are playing the same sport. It's NOT a coincidence. And you are worng about the physical coaches. Even if the uke here quit football, he became a physical coach in the field of international professional football, who need to have good physiques themselves. Look them up, they boast of quite the musculature themselves. If he became a physical coach, it's obvious that he didn't sit on his ass or was bedridden all that time. This isn't your neighborhood football, this is pro football, high stakes and extremely competitive. Also, it's pretty obvious if the positions were flipped, if the seme were the one who were in an accident, the artists would have still drawn them to have six or eight pack abs. Like let's not be delusional about the unspoken rules of fanservice in bl category. Whether it be bl or hetero doesn't cancel the toxicity of fanservice body shapes and portrayals, it's pretty clear to see that most bl creators assign feminine characteristics of their their ukes after the females characters in misogynistic media. The nuances are pretty much nil except for a select few works. Also look up the defenders' heights in international pro football, like it's just not believable that all of these things can just be excused. He is shorter, has no visible muscle mass, even though he is a physical coach, if not a player anymore. But okay, it you want to ignore all.of that, go for it. The creators don't care because the majority of the audiences don't care.
Omg, you're really butt hurt about feminine men. If you want ultra masculine men go read straight romance.. and they can be excused. At the end of the day its not your choice how a writer or artist depicts their characters. So you can bitch about fanservice all you want but what you want would also be fanservice. Having a constant six pack showing is far from realistic. The majority of the audience doesn't care bc it's NOT something TO care about.
Also, how do you know the artist would do what you say? About the positions being flipped... you're just stating what-ifs. Seriously, being upset this upset bc of someone's body is so weird. You just sound like you dislike any feminine traits in men... you're talking about toxicity but youre being toxic yourself with those ideals. Also, do you have any gay friends at all? Bc I have quite a few (im also gay) and many of them are feminine... an author making ome of their male characters feminine does not equal to copying female characteristics from "misogynistic media" Be so fr
Lol if you didn't really CARE about such portrayals, you would not be here arguing with me. You would have left after speaking your mind once. But you are here repeating yourself so you do care about the issue, it's the hidden insecurity and guilt speaking.
First of all, just because I point out obvious flaws in a piece of work (read misogynistic work) doesn't entitle you to tell me to read something else. Because like, who are you to tell me that? Lol. I don't have to conform to your biases to be able to enjoy something critically. It is absolutely my choice as to what I want to read, I am the consumer and this media that is targeted at me since I am interested in this genre. The consumers should ideally dictate what they want to consume, but the capitalist machinery gives you an illusions of choice and you have to pick one, sorry to be such a downer but it isn't such a free will that you think it is. It is because of uncritical and complacent readers like you because of whom the rest of the readers have to deal with misogynistic and cookie cutter copy paste, unoriginal and unrealistic writing. And i think misogynistic writing sold to impressionable readers as sex positive writing, or feeding the same meaningless and misogynistic tropes in the name of queer content is definitely something to care about. YOU don't care about it because you like this type of tropey writing (maybe you do t wanna use your brains so much idk) and you like this type of problematic portrayals. If you think the role flipping situation I talked about is a what -if situation, you are simply deluding yourself. You know in your heart I am right about this but you simply don't want to give me a corner because you don't wanna lose the argument as it will hurt your ego. Like it couldn't be clearer. I have lots of gay friends and yes, SOME of them like to adopt the feminine side but that's different from the case in bl manhwas. There are ALL types of body types and dispositions even among gay men, most of them aren't buff or twinky, they have average builds, they go to gym and keep themselves healthy. Just like the rest of us. That's all. BUT in bl manhwa genre, Majority, yes majority of them, are not only drawn in a feminine manner but also written with misogynistic characteristics attributed to women. They are often written to be fickle or extremely reactive, or easily swayed or non-self-composed, who unravel at the smallest threat even if they are the vice president (or something) of a company, like in Paid by fujoking or an elite lawyer like in swapping by Chaepali or roses and champagne and there are so many more examples). Writers can make them them the king of the world but still write them with these type of characteristics that are often seen in misogynistic pieces. It goes much deeper han what you think but you don't wanna see it because otherwise it will make your options very limited. Men, gay or not, don't have the same issues as women, there are nuances but very few writers care. In fact it's easy to tell that most of these writers have never met with a gay man, much less gotten to know their sides, that's how asspull their characterization and plotting are. Don't even think one thing isn't anything to do with the other. Just replacing one archetype with another and calling it 'queer content' is an ignorant and dangerous thing to do.
I think this clear from your responses that you want to sidestep my arguments because it makes it easier for you to enjoy the fanservice, you want to be in denial and I don't want to repeat myself. If you want to have the last word, go for it. In my eyes, you have already lost the argument. So goodluck.
Holy shit, I am not reading all that. You've clearly lost your marbles
Not surprised, figured you would give an immature reply. Your type are all the same lol
Dang bro what when down here bro.
"your type". Like we actually know each other. It's not my fault you lost it over a less muscular bottom lmao
You really are immature. Ah i shouldn't have replied to your meaningless babble. That's on me. Anyway. I hope you grow up. Take care now little person.
soccer players w four packs arent realistic at all... if u want buff ass ukes when they play golf then go on ig
Lol
damn this is so stupid, a quick image search of soccer defenders on google and 98% of images of body types looks exactly the same as the uke.
Soccer trains a different sets of muscle, which is mostly from the lower body. Getting an abs is absolutely far and NOT the actual goal.
The seme’s body is far weirder here, having a higher body fat percentage over average soccer players. But of course you ignored all that to conveniently twist them into ur narrative. Seeing as all your references of body types are from different sports, not soccer ur “main” argument and that seemingly they are…… fictional characters. Considering that ur arguing for an social issue and ur argument being “twinkification is inherently misogynistic.” Following ur logic all soccer players are misogynist because they are all “twinks.”
Hell this is even worse, u actually want “portrayal” but you want buffed up muscly men. That’s not soccer, thats just porn. Please touch grass and look at actual soccer players and then howl for their media representation
Lol. Are you high? They have eight packs. It's an intense sport. Look them up again. It's like people don't know what footballers' bodies looks like.
No dude. Soccer players's strength comes from their core and legs, they need to train it all. Are you fucking with me right now? Lol. Being fictional doesn't mean they would be drawn so far from realistic images, they won't even look believable. The uke here has at most times body and visible muscle mass. The more convincing and image or story or characterisation is, the more impactful and sincere it is. Seriously people on this site don't even know basic media perception. No dude. I mean bl ukes are typically drawn as twinky. Soccer players have very hard bodies, eight packs. your comment is bwahahaha. For real I am laughing my ass off. Sorry but can't take you seriously when you don't even know how to use Google search.
*at most toned body
Nah you are definitely fucking with me. Either that or you have bad eyesight. Anyway you have an account where I can send you images? Because you sound high af right now.
Ah so you could have just told me you only want to see whatever you want to see regardless of what I am trying to say. I don't WANT buff muscley men. I want less disparity between the uke and the seme because most times, tropey and insincere, and yeah, even misogynistic. Projection much? Lol
Anyway I checked out your bio, and woah, I think you aren't really the right person to argue about this, talk about hypocrisy lol. I will take a raincheck from this wasting my breath. Toodloos.
exactlyyy seme has a body w higher fat which makes him slower, strikers w that type of body dont go far, soccer players look skinny but acc have muscultature esp on the lower part of their bodies, so u cant ask for logic when u urself arent logical ifykwim
Lol Christiano ronaldo has that type of body. So does Messi. Check out his 2025pics. But I guess they didn't go very far....
talking abt the seme n the seme does NOT have the same body as cr7, bro litt has the body of a boxer not a soccer player
Feels good to see the uke going apeshit over the manipulative seme. Like yeah I am sure the ML is like that for a reason and a tragic backstory since this is BL but glad to see a uke who stands the fuck up for himself and doesn't take the beating sitting down like usual.
Ikr the uke is a legend
Everyone should have a friend like Kang Hyunbeom. Love to all Kang Hyunbeom types
Kids, don't do the kind of dumb shit this uke does. He threw away love, he made very bad decisions and made his own life hell, hurt someone who loved him over and over again and still hoped to reunite with him someday, the nerve. He is pathetic, he had several chances to make something of his life, but he threw all of them away because of his stupid petty pride. He couldnt think long term and was complicit in his own hell. Learn from him and dont do the shit he did.
What kind of school kids get into this kind of crap? So what they are rich? They are still teenagers. They rape and beat up people and torture them just because they can? How is this realistic man??
One is a gangster kid that hears and sees all kinds of disgusting things when he is young, and the other is a result of his father sleeping with his sister in law, his mother killed her self after his birth and his father and stepmother kept beating and cursing him all the time without care i will be surprised if they turn out to be good people some people shouldn’t have kids
These authors literally think giving the worst possible backstories make their characters credible to read. Like yes, bad shit happens to kids and adults alike but just the way they go so freaking overboard to create a sob story, like average childhood trauma is just too pedestrian. They need to give split personality causing trauma to the characters to make the toxicity and non con believable. It's just so transparently badly written.
Well the people who read it and became crazy about the plot encourage more authors to pick up the plot to gain readers and popularity to their stories alot of people enjoy it sadly that what I understood from reading the comments for years, sometimes I think it became boring reading the same plot over and over I keep looking for different plot there was many stories with this plot that I have already read before this one so I predicted what was gonna happen all the time just like I thought everything the same now when ever a plot becomes popular lots if author copy it
The art feels so eerie and so creepy, but it's so well executed that you feel transported to the place and situation. The mangaka's expression game is so on point. The paneling, the framing, the magnification. Too good. It's giving me the shivers. I smell good plotting going forward yum