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RANT WITH SPOILER









Right... Reason why he will refuse TWICE to break up the engagment when she asked him to despite what he promised (come on, she was even ready to take a vow a servitude), and that everytime she act "cold" he will call her "evil" and "cruel" despite knowing that it is because of the abuse she endured during the first timeline... He is a bland "ice king" and only act nice to get her. He didn't respect her wish because he wanted to get away from Ji-eun (he saw the look of hatred she had toward him). In his POV when he and Tia are married in the second timeline it is clearly shown that he is short tempered toward the staff and that Tia is the one who is keeping him in check. He is the typical overbearing and super horney CEO of a bad chinese novel.

Also, the "as long are they are happy" is forgetting what Ruve was going to do to her just because she was "composed" and "mature", the fact that she is still in love wih him regardless of the horrific abuse she endured and that there is no ground for her love for him in both timeline. Come on, the only reason she want to escape the Empress position during the current trial is beause she is sure that he is fated to be with Ji-eun and she is going to be abandoned again. How is it not messed up? He hasn't done anything to turn her over or actuallt make her fall in love yet.
True love is not purely based on physical attraction, that is lust.

Yes, my exemples are mostly based on future event or the novel and thus should not be applied to the manhwa who is his own media. But since it take the same road than the novel and that they actually had to make him less of a jerk to make him more likeble AND tone down the chemistry with the others love interest, my rant is justified.

Sorry I didn't read ur spoilers. I'll judge it in mah own way once I've read it. But thank you for ur effort.

i very much agree to this... the manhwa is tagged josei for a reason. It’s not ur typical i had it wrong the first time, let’s just try something else. Tia is still healing from her trauma thus she doesn’t rlly accept ruve’s affections. However, the prince is mature enough to respect her wishes and even encourages herto be strong. I don’t think this kind of affection can be given by allendis nor carsein. Allendis was far too obsessed with her and wanting her all for himself. I think carsein is too young and innocent to understand what tia may be feeling, especially her reluctance to love again.

Agree, very justified. Actually getting confused if this is meant to be a manwha or not. Seems more like a manwha trying to pass off as a manhua with the modern CEO but being back in time with a western theme

Yay! Someone with the same understanding.
Thank you for understanding the story this way too ╥﹏╥

You've so far constantly imposed your own definitions and morals on so-called 'true love', denouncing everything else that doesn't fit as 'lust' that you're forgetting that in fiction, the definition of true love is set by the WRITER's ideals of true love, constructed by how they view it as such. A couple's love story may appear to be the most superficial ever shown, but is it true love? Yes, based on the author's perspective and intention to show it as such.

Based on Ruve's ENTIRE story, it's indeed far fetched to say he loves her. But at the same time, you do his story absolute injustice by saying all he felt was lust, when his entire actions and decisions, his thought process, every single element revolved around Tia. His death scene in his first life was the most peaceful he was ever shown to be, and all he thought of was not the grievances of Tia, but to be reunited with her.

You keep saying it's all lust, and to be frank, your bias against Ruve shows every time you pass it off as such.

About the physical attraction and my opinion of Ruve.










Physical attraction can indeed be a "root" or even a basis to "love" or even "true love". In the definition of the verb 'to love" it is clearly established that it is the fact to "feel deep affection" or "sexual love" for someone. However, that is not enough. You need to actually know the person too. If you only care about someone because you are physically attracted and as such have a "good opinion of them" or are trying to be in their company, then you can't call it love. That is "attraction" or "lust" depending of the level. And first Ruve didn't know the true Tia at all to the point of asking himself "What kind of woman were you"? He might have grief or regret, but asking the readers to adknowledge that his feelings were "love" just because the author said so is too much. That is way too shallow. And the revers is true for Tia too. How can someone's fellings be presented to actually survive such brutal abuse? That is not "love" or even "feelings" but clearly obsession then. She had no reason to love him in the first timeline, and if there is indeed reasons in the second timeline, like the vow, they were presented too late because not only was she already "in love" (it hurt to write that with the lack of reasons) with him by that point but had even agreed to marry him. Saying that they were "fated to be" and that explain that she got back to him despite everything not only make the "pionner" name a lie because is it admiting that she didn't actually controle her own fate but also make a mockery of trauma.

If you make your character go throught such abuse and are still planning to make him or her go with the one who inflicted it not only you can't rely so heavily on the "he or she still love him or her anyway" but you also need to make a clear and reasonable basis for their second chance at their love story. In TAB it was not the case. The only reason she is currently getting away is because she is sure that Ruve is fated to be with Ji-eun and she is going to be abandoned again anyway. But what did Ruve actually do to make her turn around so much from PTSD to the point she would even considere mary him again? He acted more decently... That is literally all. At the beggining of the second timeline he hated her and hated like a self-entitled brat, then neglected her. He then finally started to get a grip and realized that he was attracted to her after all and decided to start acting (the fire in the garden scene). He needed to deserve the second chance by his own actions to make it realistic, like trying to by her friend first after she came back from her estate by sending letters including one of apologize for scarring her so much. You can't afford to jump straight from "overcome abuse when close to him" to "love interest " nor make the traumatized FL blush without reason whatsoever.

About my opinion of Ruve, I can only say that novel Ruve remember me of an overbearing chinese CEO because that is how he is (often presented as "cold" includind by Keiran, saying he respect the FL bondaries but in fact most of the time don't, somehow super horny and so on...). He is a typical bland "ice-king". The manhwa Ruve is currently neutral. He is getting better, but did not prove himself enough to justify seeing him in a good light. Readers have the right to be prejudicied against him because, let's be realistic, if Tia didn't run away from him and was still the "mature" girl he would have treated her the same way he treated the Princesses in the second timeline. He was going to humiliate her at their first dance if he wasn't curious about the reason she is so clearly avoiding him. He didn't do anything that would justify the readers to think that he stopped the Empress procedure to help Tia rather than to escape from Ji-eun who he knows hate her (even the Emperor saw her look of hatred toward Ruve in the novel).

You've completely missed the point. What I'm saying is, to put it as simply as possible, it could be the world's shittiest love story ever written, to the point readers would foam in the mouth, and it still wouldn't change the fact that by the definition of this work, THIS is its definition of true love, by the framework set by the author's preconceived notion. Do o think Romeo and Juliet is a good love story? Fuck no, they're idiots who didn't know anything. Does the story portray it as true love? Yes. Do I think Ruve and Tia's love story is good writing? No, it's not. It's polarizing, and it strikes a lot of people's nerves. I get that.

But saying that ALL Ruve felt for Tia in first timeline was nothing but lust, negates almost everything that his story stands for and is trying to portray, the notion that /yes, there were feelings/, rightly so, but that EVERYTHING in the first timeline did not allow them to sprout for obvious reasons, saying all he felt was 'lust' completely negates his redemption at the very end of his death.

Setting aside the qualities of Second timeline Ruve, which goes without saying, I am even amazed at how he could even be compared to shitty Chinese CEO bastards, based on examples I could barely count with one hand, and I'm not gonna go into that because, well, there no need to. At the end of the day, you have the right to voice your opinion, but with how you're constantly posting about it, I'm wondering why you're even here if you're just going to continue ranting against Ruve and Tia and the weak structure of the story instead of just trying to see the good points of the novel.

I'm out.

I am still here for the few good points of the story (some characters like Carsein, the art that I really love, some moments that I want to see in pictures like Ji-eun getting her due) and because I like debating. I don't understand at all the other point of view, but I do try to. Usually in such cases the arguments are evenly-matched, but so far no one has been able to actually counter my arguments (even with the novels readers), and it made me even more curious. The perfect exemple is how you answered that reducing the feelings of first timeline Ruve (and Tia's for this matter) to lust negate his redemption in death. But how can you justify that someone who called his concubine "bitch", only ever abused her and thought the worst of her since he was a child, admitting himself after that he absolutely didn't know her after she was eventually executed, felt anything else than physical attraction and regret? He didn't know her at all, not even just how much she was working to the point of collapsing. You can't love someone you don't know, it is that simple. If you need to refere to the "it is the way the author portray true love", then you must admit that the concept of love that the author is presenting in shallow and empty, no? And that doesn't make a good story nor sense when Tia got back with him without him having to actually having to work really hard for it just because they "were fated together". It that was the case, the author wouldn't have needed to rely on the "she never got over her feelings for him despite everything" troop and would have Ruve making most of the work, not the reverse. She was supposed to be able to escape her fate too. For the way it negates his redemption in his death, isn't that the point? It was is own actions, misconceptions and owns negatives feelings that led him to be so cruel. He is not regretting killing his loved one, he is regretting his cruelty and the way his own bad temper led him to this path. He regret not having made efforts to know her because he is feeling guilt. I can conceid that much. But because he loved her? No way. And since he got a second chance with time being rewinded (it is not an alternate timeline, he is the same Ruve just younger), then the redemption was erased anyway. I really don't understand the readers who said "he died alone and pining for a Tia who was already reborn so out of reach" because he got a second chance, don't remember suffering and even got his super happy ending with her. His "bad end" was erased, it never happened for him. Quite the contrary, all of Tia suffering played in his favor since it was what made him stop being prejudicied against her.

Finally, about Ruve being a overbearing chinese CEO, isn't that the case? Of course he is not THAT bad, but the facts are here. Have you read his POV of the end of the second timeline? That is typically the POV of this kind of characters (do you want me to elaborate on that? It is starting to get long if you want to stop to answer).

Salute to you bro! Yas! Someone explained it very well with a sense and no biases regarding with the story. VERY WELL SAID I CANNOT AGREE MORE! (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

You know what lemme straight the facts over you. If you already rated this story as a flop and not good then why stay? Why keep sabotaging the readers with your one sided spoiler/opinion whenever they comment here? What's ur intention really? I cannot understand it and also u say no one have matched and countered ur arguments? No. ur just a closed opinionated person who keeps over pushing ur one sided opinion with the story to the readers and it's overbearing almost like every chapter I see ur name replying to anyone with ur never ending one sided spoilers. See, we get ur point but nothings gonna chage the fact on what we've understood regarding with the story We appreciate ur effort but I just can't really understand ur intention. Some of us are trying to enjoy and appreciate the story here. I hope you understand that this comment section of mine is not open for arguments such as yours that's why I put the warning sign on the title I've read and seen enough, I'm a reader too we have our own opinions and this is what we've understood based on what we've read. So plss. when u see sign like this in the title ur not welcome here this comment area is free for anyone so just make yours look if you want to debate with someone. I'm tired of ur cycling opinion about the story ur point just keeps repeating and repeating but always ends up at one point and we get that so stop.

I am staying because there IS indeed good sides to the story and because I love to debate. It is very interesting to see just how differenlty readers can perceive a same story and same characters. I didn't rate it as a "flop" just because of the end game by the way, but the way the story was developped (for exemple, why did the main character never got over her feelings of the firstimeline despite the brutal abuse? Where does these feelings even comes from? Did Vita need her to feel this way to make sure she would keep her place until Ji-eun arrival in the first timeline and then to make sure the Empire would thrive under her reign in the second timeline? It that what it is? The story is from Tia's point of view only after all...). I mostly answers spoilers questions and whose who are asking for the novel's link. The rest of the time I see a post from the new comments on the main page of mangago and felt like answering and ranting. Everyone can just ignore my message if they want to, I am not going to harass! For the opiniated and close-minded part, definitly. Guilty as charged (really trying to get better thought).

I will lay it out in the open, from one novel reader to another, I am not interested in partaking in 'debates' with you. You say nobody is able to counter your arguments, what laughable rubbish. Every single of your posts, literally after every chapter, is all about endless paragraphs of boring one sided drivel on the so-called self perceived catastrophe of Ruve and Tia, to the point where I just mentally check out EVERY TIME you post. Its irritating, and you'd be better off bringing these so called debates of yours to the NovelUpdates discussion forum because it's clear nobody is interested and readers just want to read the manhwa without you constantly mixing your opinions with spoilers, leading manhwa readers to a biased direction, and expect to not be called out for it.

Seriously, if you're not able to stop being toxic, then don't read the manhwa. Simple as that.

The argument part seems to be true thought. Even on novelupdate there wasn’t satisfying explainations to the most importants critics made on the story (a simple exemple being to difference between character development and rewriting of personnality for exemple). But the spoiler part being fair, I do apologize if I seemed to be toxic. That was not my intention. Not being able to understand what the author was trying to do is just that frustrating.