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Same but I was trying to find the plot

preach

And dont even try to use the “hes different from the first timeline uwu” like pls.. if the circumstances were a tad different he would've gone down that path

Same, Im kinda dissapointed. I wanted her to end up with someone else too

Right. Either someone else or no one at all.

I KNOW RIGHT!!! LIKE WHAT THE FRICKKKK!!!? WHY CAN'T SHE CHOOSE CARSEIN!!! HE'S FRIGGIN LIKE THE DAMN SUN!! URGHHHH..

At this point I don't even care if she chooses that Green-Haired Psycho Allen but not the DAMN PRINCE

Right right. People are acting like she went to a different dimension or something when she just went back in time

And its irritation how she has 2 good friends (green haired boy is iffy tho) and still decided to go for her ex-spouse

Exactly... Like bro toxic obsession much

Every man has that circumstance no one is born evil they let themselfs embarrass it humans are taught to not give in by the ones around them and the butterfly effect can cause typhons

Yes but if they were to end up in circumstances similar to that again? He has shown like no typa growth cause there was no consequences and time just went back

So a person must show growth he grew up with mc treating him as a monster always afraid being compared to another and why should he who hasn't done thoughs things be punished because yes they did go back he is a different person than one who grew up with hate for mc he also hasn't been drinking anger tea because mc noticed and was able to stop it he also had a chance to take her but he apologized and felt bad he also even if he tought it a girls nightmare knew what happened last time so he thought about it he had tried to be forceful once and it caused her to go into shock he stopped pushing to know the truth and left her alone for years as she stayed in the vacation home does he have to thought bubble it every time hes on screen for people to see these sutle but important changes?

I wont forgive. His past future self but i wont condemd his new future self because of what he could be if hitler became an artist insead of hitler and lived the rest of his days as an artist not the sicopath he became no one would know and the second war woldnt have happened. Hed be just another esentric artist that never killed any one and started his own art university for young gifted individuals or if mother taresa wasnt alowwed to join the sisters of loreto but was say beaten and bloodied by poor men she could have begun to hate and do horrible things life giudes us to have different experiences than others we allow ourselfs to change for better or worse ultimately we choose from our payst experience if it will change us or not

Hmm but its the possibility that something could trigger him to act down that path in the future for me. Either way i dont believe he shouldve been considered as a love interest.

Yes, actually it was necessary. Why? Because Tia did not deserve anything that happened to her. She was not the villainess of his story, she was his victim. He was the abuser and awfull one. Then, the beggining of the second timeline show that he was going to do it all over again. If he did not and stopped, it's only and purely because he started getting attracted to her. His true personality is First Ruve. His true self is the one who completly neglected her and didn't care enough about sending her into a comatose state to at least sent a letter of apologize, the one who neglected her as long as he was not attracted to her. His true self is the one who was ready to let Ji-eun be executed the same way he let Tia die in the first timeline fully knowing that she is innocent and that, indeed, he used her to take Duke Zena down. So how is Second Ruve different from First Ruve exactly except being decent toward Tia because she changed first and he "love" her now? That's right, he is not. Because he was not going to respect Tia is she had not been a "cut little puppy" catering to his ego. He would even have huiliated her every chances he got.

Also,

-No, he could not have "have her" by force even if he had wanted too. Tia's family actually have a tool that can let them escape the political wedding if necessary, and Ruve is fully aware of that. So, the reason he did not force it is both because he could not in the first place and that accepting Tia would be accepting Ji-eun. Since he relaize that Ji-eun is a snake and hate him, he actually had no choice but to not try to force Tia to marry him that one time.

- The lack of growth from Ruve also impact the very reason why Tia would even trust him, let alone care and love him.

Yes yes yes ty!!

We still shouldn't. Blame him on something he hasn't done yet plus are we all just gonna ignore the anger poisn that his pastfuture self was probably drinking (doesn't mean ill forgive that one ) anyoneven carisen could do those things who nows what he was like in the past future he could have been a knight who was merciless i wont condemd a person who (could) i will condem a person who did

A king can do whatever he dam well wants

This is what I was explaining. It's canon in the novel that, even as an Emperor, Ruve could not have ordered Tia's family around. They have what we call a "joker" that they can only use once against the Royal family with no question asked. He was even terrified of Tia finding out about it and use it to leave him (he realize that Keiran did not tell her about the existence of this joker). But, sorry, I realized that it's a spoiler.

The poison in not an excuse. He did commit the crimes, and he only did it against Tia, not others. If poison had really changed his personaity to this point, he should have at the very least, targeted Ji-eun. She was the one he spent the more time with. Since he did not and the second timeline showed that his hatred of her had actually little do to with the poison, you can't use it as a co-opt. He choose to do all those things to Tia regardless of the drug, because he wa jealous of her, and no one forced him to.

Yes your right but a different timeline means a different person also after taking it out on mc his anger went to the other chick and he went crazy so yes he did target her next after his sorce of hatred disappeared the other didn't come back for no reason he probably eventually killed her to and im not exuceing what he did even if it was the poison but this guy didn't do those things his past future self did let me repeat he did not do those things and condemig someone for what they could do is wrong the evryone in the world should be condemed for what they could do

We are not actually saying that Second Ruve should be punished for what First Ruve did. We are saying that for Tia's choice and feelings to make sense he needed to have more character development than her and prove himself. However his whole character developtment his based on her changing for him and finally suiting his taste and she is the one who took the most actions. It's basically victim blaming. And thus very disturbing.

For Ji-eun, no. She hate him now, but he never abused her (he just fell out off love with her). he even sacrified himself for her (but she don't know that).

He isnt a different person lol. If he hadnt « fell in love » with her he wouldve still treated her like shit. No excuses!

And as i said he might treat someone else that way somewhere down this timeline.

Not really the poison doesn't cause new emotions it ony amplifies them, and in the first timeline he already resented Tia, but doesn't mean he would have done all the things he did to her. He would have ignored her and treat her badly but not to that extreme. Also in one of the chapters Tia recognized that he allways showed lack of affection and resentment for her but, she also said that once Jieun appeared he began to show real hatred probably since that moment he had started to get poisoned, as his change in behaviour was rather sudden, and it began accumulating in his body resulting in the complete crazy man later on. Since then i began thinking maybe was Jieun from the beggining but now I think it is the aristocrats doing as they saw a new chance with the appearence of her.

- Actually Ruve showed hatred well before Ji-eun arrival, it's just that Tia did not realize it in the first timeline. She only realized it at the beggining of the second timeline when she saw the clues and how he was codly looking at her when she was still a child. The prof is how he humliated her at their first dance together at his coming of age ceremony (when he was 16 years old and her 12 if I recall). And when she was still in her family's home they never meet together, so he did not have a lot of opportunity to do much more.

- I agree that the poison amplified emotions that were already here. But I suppose we did not make the same conclusion from it. Tia herself did nothing to make him hate her at such a level, meaning that the "root" of his hatred was purely jealousy, hurt pride and beliving rumors. Overall it's also mean that he was still rational. When he don't let Ji-eun see him lashing out at Tia, when he make plans, when he is awake enough to know that someone will commit suicide and so on it's clear he still have his cognitives capacities. He had the ability to stop and think that just maybe Tia does not deserve any of it, after all. But it's not what happened. He abused her and got reed of her purely based on his own prejudice and then only regretted when he realized he was wrong about her.

Um...I know a spoiler and I'm not going to say it but remember when Ji-eun said he changed after Tia died in the first life...Ji-eun didn't know about the poison yet (as in when he changed). She told Tia the base of the situation but left out quite a bit of details. There is so much that happened both before and after Tia died that we don't know yet. And yes the poison doesn't change emotion but amplify it but being angry to the point you curse at someone and to the point you kill their father, child and them are such different levels that it is literally irrational behaviour.

Now I'm not saying he wouldn't have a been a dick without the poison but he wouldn't have been such a dick to the point of murder or rape without the poison. The most he would have done is just ignore her just like he did before.

I have read the novel, so trust me when I say that he did not abuse Ji-eun (he only slapped her once and contrary it was diserved with what she said to his face). And, once again, if drugs were the problem Tia would not have been the only one to suffer that much from him. He did all those hings while being perfectly rational. Maybe he would not habe been that bad, but he would definitly have distroyed her because it's what he was planning to do regardless of it (his ego and Zena's lies would habe been enough).

I wanted to say "contrary to Tia".

If you read the novel than you know the truth, don't you? Why would he have abused Ji-eun when he finally regained control of himself? Have you ever heard of, "I've Become the Villainous Emperor of a Novel," if not, first of all I recommened it and secondly go read maybe the first chapter and what happened to the Empress is exactly what happened to Ruve. Taking heavy drugs everyday combined with manipulation is powerful. Like I said I don't want to spoil anything but if you did finish the novel then you should know what he did, or tried to do, once he realized he was being drugged.

I forgot to actually make it a reply to yours so I hope you saw what I commented above

I was not talking about when he started getting the drugs out of his body but all the period he was supposedly under influence.

I think we can admit that he became a monster. But why toward Tia only if the drugs are solely to blame? If a bad day or simple rumors were enough to make him react this way, he would have attacked others too. He did not only psycology torture Tia, he acted on it several times. If the drugs were to blame, he should have attacked others too. He only attacked Tia because it came from him. It's the only logical explanation. Also, there is a long period after Tia's death when he still took the drugs before realizing what was happening. Thus, there is even less reason why Ji-eun would not have be his victim too. He slapped her, but only once when she actually derved it. He never throwed her on the ground, he never screamed at her, he always stayed ounder control while under influence when she did even more things than Tia to make him angry.

Well lets not forget the fact that he didn't like Tia. Like I said, he would have still been a dick without the drugs but not that bad. It is natural for all of his anger to be directed. Some people with anger issues doesn't go around yelling at everybody all the time, they go release it at the person they are angry at or who they hate the most. Not to mention the manipulation, the Duke was making sure he had a reason for all of his rage to be directed to Tia. Controlling someone means you control how they act around people and I doubt he was only cruel to Tia, as in he was most likely cruel to the servants. Not as in physically but I'm positive he's shouted at them or maybe thrown some papers at them. We only focused on Tia, we never saw him interact with anyone other than Tia and Ji-eun really (while he's working I mean).

Now with the spoiler, I remember he found out about the drugging before Tia died but couldn't stop taking it because he didn't know who was giving it to him so he wanted to play along until then. Now if what I remember was correct, during that time anger wouldn't have been his greatest emotion, grief, regret and sadness would have been, he wouldn't have been lashing out and angry, he would be crying and depressed so yh, it makes sense he wouldn't have hit Ji-eun until she did piss him off

Nope, he found out way after her death (at least 4 years if I recall, a short time before his own death).

And yes, one of the reason is that he had temper problems and was prejudicied toward Tia that he hated regardless of the drugs. Meaning that if she did not change, he would have been horrible toward her (even if not as bad as First Ruve). And since it's literraly his only character development, we conclude that Second Ruve is First Ruve without the prejudice toward Tia. And it's not a good thing, at all (even more proof of that will be the way he is going to treat Ji-eun after using her in the second timeline, but it's spoiler).

Ah I see, I must be remembering what I read wrong. And your right, he is but we have to all accept that what happened then didn't and won't happened now and whether we like Ruve or not, thats fact. Now I'm a stone hard Carsein stand so he will always be my favorite but if Ruve is different from the original timeline, even if its soley from how Tia interacts with him now, and she chooses him we have to accept that cause its her choice. I would have have chosen Carsein but I guess that red chain of fate was harder to break than she thought. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

Which is really strange and sad since she was given the name "pionner" to help her forge her own path. But even that would not be that bad, it could even have been interesting, without the victim-blaming throwed at Tia. It's what bother me the most in this story with the way she juste completly got rid of her trauma overnight.

You mentioned « ive become the villainous emperor of a novel » and id like to add something. The main character herself even admitted that the drugs were not the only thing to blame. The emperor herself wasnt all that great after the war already and the drugs amplified that, just like here.

Rape?

Oh you mean non consensual sex. She was drunk.

yeah, it technically is rape, since a drunk person cant give consent

didn’t she...initiate it...?

A drunk person can not give consent

In this situation the correct thing to do is not have sex w her. Are you saying that if a girl flirts with you its correct to rape her?

soo that sounds like an accident not rape. rape is nonconsensual yes...but what happened here was very much a one night stand. your argument sounds like all drunk sex is rape. let’s leave drunk sex...as drunk sex. at most accidental sex.

i would justify it if both of them were drunk since both were not in the same right of mind. but the duke wasnt. if i remember

drunk sex has been taught as consensual, however as we have progressed so has our understanding of consent.
What (technically) makes their 'first night' rape can be explained by the following:
Ripley cannot remember the night at all, proving that she was drunk to the point where she could not have consented willingly (even if the "initiated it"). If she was lightly drunk/tipsy and thus could remember, it would be more debatable since that could have meant that she was more able to consciously consent.
So you can drink and have consensual sex, but if that person is so drunk that they throw up or black out, that is a sign that they are not at all conscious enough to consent to anything and thus any sexual activity with them would be non-consensual and thus rape.
Also, we can tell clearly based on her behavior after said "one night stand" that she would not have wanted to do that if she were sober. One might argue "but she fell in love with him so it couldn't have been" but at the point of time that they had sex and for a decent period of time thereafter, she clearly wanted nothing to do with the duke nor have any romantic/sexual relationship with him.
He loving him, whether she expressed that or not, doesn't clear him from that rape. To use real world examples: let's take a in-love married couple. If either spouse were to have sex with the other when they expressly said they didn't want to (or were similar to Ripley and unable to consent), that would be considered rape

right !!

Totally agree with you there!