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I have to admit the ero level of Viewefinder became less and less and less...but I also have to admit the story bcm more and more interesting.

I almost forget that it used to be a super erotic yaoi manga ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄ (or should I say....porn with plot yaoi manga?)

Psst : Vol 8 is not like Yaoi manga anymore..for me (￣∇￣")

I wonder why Japanese censors think seeing a penis is traumatizing, but looking at a white gap where a penis should be is not. Personally, I think it's much worse to have it appear as if the man was disfigured or missing parts.

Hahaha...I misread the last word as 'pants' - could you see men in Tokyo running around without pants?

And then this thought occurred ... https://www.google.ca/search?q=no+pants+subway+ride&tbm=isch&imgil=lNBzrqKGiZTNbM%253A%253BU-tneis-6zj1lM%253B http%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%25252Fnews%25252Fpicturegalleries%25252Fhowaboutthat%25252F12091905%25252FThe-2016-No-Pants-Subway-Ride.-Dont-panic.-We-mean-trousers.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=lNBzrqKGiZTNbM%253A%252CU-tneis-6zj1lM%252C_&usg=__WE-a2DzzxD38aBiWrvgfPIl8bJI%3D&biw=1095&bih=727&dpr=0.9&ved=0ahUKEwiFovHsj_XOAhXJ6IMKHTtuD7oQyjcIRQ&ei=ZsTLV4XXO8nRjwS73L3QCw#imgrc=E-KgQSXPYPD3nM%3A

I don't really think it became less and less because every chapter we see akihito spread open wide lol.

Porn was first seriously restricted in Japan in the Meiji Era, when materials deemed “injurious to public morals” were banned, thanks to the introduction of Victorian morals from the West. When American authorities changed many of Japan's laws, they did not see fit to change the pre-existing ones about pornography.

And they probably worsened it, seeing as at the time it was very vaguely saying "obscene" and since then it's been associated with genitals. Traditionally Japanese are not prudish to nakedness, which shocked American sensitivities to the degree that the Japanese government bent backwards trying to accommodate them.

So they're just stuck there. Well, 20 years ago pubic hair was still censored, so there's that.

You can bet most Japanese think it's dumb nowadays, but it's just not going to change anytime soon. But of course magazines want to push the boundaries, so white gaps and whatnot it is (depends on the author anyway, each have their own way of self-censoring).

As for the "ero level", in Finder's 15th anniversary interview a few months ago, she said: I hope to get my pace back on track, and I also want to draw more erotic scenes so that the manga will be more interesting (Haha). With this being a serial manga, there are chapters where there's no erotic scenes at all due to the flow of the story, but when possible, I try to put in a lot (Haha)".

So yeah, I guess she will be trying to put in more than there has been in the last few years.

Do you know if there is a full translation of that interview?

"could you see men in Tokyo running around without pants? "


Hmmmm....actually, I can visualize that, and it wouldn't be all bad. (⌒▽⌒)

Oh--that's not exactly what I was thinking, but it will do.

BTW, did you know that in the UK and other places "pants" can mean panties? I have a friend who uses it as a pejorative term. When she doesn't like something, she says, "That's pants!" For a long time, I thought she was just too nice to use the word "shit." Since I wasn't 100% sure how the Canadians were about "pants" (though I think most go with the US on this one), I imaged men without anything, swinging happily in the breeze (uncensored, but perhaps subject to shrinkage).

Well she already did that on those extended scenes..well..you know...the scenes where Asami checked on Aki's butthole to confirm Sudou didn't do anything to him.

Public nudity in Jpn, the Jpn. in general have had a love hate relationship with this subject. having little to do with outside influence. It was always an issue of class. during the Meji and edo times it was nothing to see the lower classes working in the fields with the lower bodies exposed. The upper classes were always covered. Same sexes bathed together in public baths. the rich had private baths. You told a person's class by how covered they were. Jpn. is a conservative country despite what the manga may show. They always have been. The way that people where dressing back then had to do with the way they worked, cost of clothes, not sexual freedom. As for the American influ. at most they went West. dress and technology. their conservative views is deeply ingrained with their Shinto beliefs sys.

Thanks Nnene. I thought it was something like that. The US is traditionally very prudish (well parts of it) and around WWII it was thought important to protect the "morals" of our young soldiers. Sure, we can get the young killed, but we don't want them exposed to sex (officially, at that time). Soldiers had sex, of course, (and some were rapists) but officially, the party line was that sex was for marriage. I'm sure such attitudes carried over in the post-war period.

Public nudity and sexual freedom are indeed not the same :). The public nudity (such as unisex bath houses with the whole family going being the norm, public toplessness being considered acceptable etc. pre-WWII US occupation) was enough though to shock the Allies, causing "General Douglas MacArthur to require women to cover their breasts and banning pornography that contained close-up shots of genitalia."

In any case, I was talking about censorship in porn on a legal level, here's in a nutshell if how I formulated it was too confusing:
"Contemporary censorship in Japan dates to the Meiji period. The influence of European Victorian culture was a catalyst for legislative interest in public sexual mores. Post-WWII, the Allies imposed a number of reforms on the Japanese government including anti-censorship laws. The legal proscriptions against pornography, therefore, derive from the nation’s penal code.

At present, “obscenity” is still prohibited. How this term is interpreted has not remained constant. While exposed genitalia (and until recently pubic hair) are illegal, the diversity of permissible sexual acts is now wide compared with other liberal democracies."

It can refer to both sometimes, but usually the term we use is underpants or underwear ...

My parents home country is much less conservative - (Denmark) For instance many beach goers go nude, topless women are featured in the daily newspaper and porn is available widely - and surprisingly there are statistically fewer sex crimes committed than in places like the US ... perhaps the 'freedom' is a factor?

Maybe--but when comparing raw numbers, keep in mind how big the US is and that the whole country is not NYC. Sometimes Hollywood and TV make it seem like the whole country is either NYC or LA. In the US, there are higher rates of sexual assaults (and crime in general) in big cities than there are in the relatively prudish small towns and rural areas. But then again, how could we know to correct for unreported rapes in areas where the survivors would not want people to know what happened?

In an age here almost everyone has access to the Internet, I'm not sure I buy into the idea that rapes occur from sexual repression. I think it's about power.

Oh, for sure - the stats I read though indicate that 6.4 (Denmark) to 27.3 (US) - and Denmark is mostly small towns - but they seem to be a lot less conservative than the US. This stat - for Denmark is considered pretty high, but they have a broader definition of sexual violence than some,
Rape is about power - for sure - but access to a sexual outlet is a factor - and prostitution was decriminalized in Denmark in 1999, so that may help a little? I am no expert her, just read a paper on crime rates in Denmark ...

erm - typo - here not her ... LOL

Yes. I read Demark has higher sex crime statistics than the rest of Europe, but who knows how the count is made? The US has a lot of big cities--and the big cities have more sex crime and more prostitution (though it's illegal). Who can say for sure? The US also sometimes has this weird thing where they like to blame black men for rape, though statistically that's crap (some do, but no more than any other race). There are all sorts of weird cultural and subcultural biases playing out when it comes to sex crimes.

But for what it's worth, I think it's unhealthy to always sexualize naked or nude bodies for other reasons. For example, some people in the US can't handle seeing breastfeeding. Heaven forfend a baby get nourishment from what is marketed as sexual objects. It's like in Victorian times when people freaked out about a woman's ankle showing. It's just boobies. Get over it.