i love how everyone is so offended but it hasn't even reached the level of degeneracy of a...

i think its mainly cuz the bar for those is literally nonexistent, people automatically hope for better when it isnt malegaze or harem

Tbf I want the bar to get lower for femgaze or reverse harem. I'd take toxic protagonists over toxic love interests any day.

i mean it doesn't necessarily need to be toxic, they just don't know how to make something both spicy and consentual lmao it's either extremely vanilla and boring or straight up abusive there's no in between (blackmail is kinda hot in this context though ngl the guy was being an arse)

Tbf I have some weird ass kinks (dub con, torture, knifeplay, corruption/mind break) so I'm hoping for toxic femdom in a dystopian/otherworldly realm context, where social norms are different due to the way society is set up. (Armies at war, revolutions, bloodshed, warcrimes). My main issue with past toxic femdom mangas is that they try to present themselves as romantic(and also, it's set in modern day society so romanticised rape and abuse would be scrutinised). I fucking love reading about abuse and sexual suffering.

Continued: It's just that when abuse is passed off as romantic it's fucking annoying.

i get that but consent is hot too yk, i've always been more into gentle femdom. also totally agreed sugarcoated abuse is fucking annoying i'm fine with anything as long as it's just porn but no way in hell i'm gonna find that shit romantic, exactly why i could never get into most josei manga

Yeah no, gfd really doesn’t do it for me. Ofc consent is great but dubcon is just a personal kink of mine in fiction. As long as it isn’t romanticised like in Sadistic Beauty and pretty much every mdom Josei. (Which annoyingly, have higher ratings than SB even before the *stuff* happened to Minho (an immoral night springs to mind :( ) )