What a dick

True. But all he had needed was that paternity test, since YeJun wouldn't admit it....

I know, but even so, there's no obligation for Yejin to allow him. Then again, I don't know how laws work in Korea. Really, though, what's the point of it? He said himself that he doesn't want a child nor anything to do with Yejin. It's all about control for him.

Wahooahh when did he say that?!?

Oh crap. Sorry. I mixed up backstories between two characters of a different story. He didn't say it. It seemed implied and thats where I got mixed up. I don't think he actually wants the child, regardless. I just went and reread it and it still seems like he didn't want to have kids and he's just getting the paternity test to be gain control over Yejun and the whole situation. Hope I'm wrong, but he gives me the asshole-controlling abuser type.

Ooh... no wonder. Ok. No. He didn't give me that vibe. He's def happy since Noah wouldn't tell him. That the child is his. I mean, after their pheromone-induced sexscapade, Ian ALREADY knows that Noah is his omega...

Well yeah, that's obvious. I just mean that he wants legal rights so that he can have control. Because I don't think he has feelings for Yejun. I think he's pissed and feels taken advantage of. I think he's blaming Yejun and believes that Yejun did all of this on purpose so he needs to take back control and wants some sort of revenge. Whats the best way to do that? Take Siyeon from him. He also seems to view Siyeon as a possession, as well as Yejun. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong, and is just misunderstood, but I doubt it.

I initially had thought he had come for revenge too but he seems pretty laid back about it. I wouldn't put any seriousness into his tone at this point. He's being considerate of SiYeon and Noah and seems really happy about it. I don't sense any form of control. I initially had thought he was upset in the beginning chapters but now I see he isn't.

It would seem that he's the talkative one and Noah is more passive one. He's starting to tease Noah pretty hard at this point.

I'm normally the type to give people the benefit of the doubt (I get into a lot of debates over it on here lol), but not Ian. He forced Yejun into heat when he found him again. He wasn't after Yejun, but after the omega he bonded with. Not only that, he immediately separated Yejun from Siyeon so he could do that. That must have been terrifying for Yejun. Now he wants a paternity test to make sure he's actually the father so he can have rights to their child, probably so he can threaten to take Siyeon away in order to gain control over Yejun's life. He also belittled Yejun by saying that Yejun couldn't take care of Siyeon without him. On top of that, he already made a veiled threat by telling Yejun that it's illegal to bond without both consenting parties. Now, he could have meant that he wanted to make sure that Yejun consented, but it did not come off that way and certainly didn't help his case because he immediately forced Yejun into heat and raped him. Totally not on this guy's side.

I'm willing to gloss over it.

I still don't think he's like that. But YeJun's fear is of his own making. I honestly don't see WHY HE WOULD THINK IAN WOULD TAKE THEIR CHILD AWAY....

So far we're all just conjecturing as to his motive but all we see is coming from YeJun's perspective so...

It's purely speculation on my part, but I recognize the behaviors. Some people who have to be in control of people or view people as merely possessions will do anything and everything to maintain that control. So far, Ian hasn't shown the least bit of respect for Yejun. The relationship has been wholly selfish on his part. Not saying that Yejun wasn't a little selfish on his own.bI mean, he should have just told Ian about the pregnancy in the first place, but I think deep down something told him not to. Like instinctually. I don't know what Ian's motive if, but some people are just mean and selfish without clear motives. I've met many people like that in my lifetime.
Clearly, Ian was only with Yejun in the beginning because he was a beta. If he'd been an omega, I don't think he would have given him the time of day. He seems to have that "omegas are only good for breeding" mindset. But I agree that it's too early to be completely sound in their temperaments. I'm rarely wrong, but I hope I am this time. This author does like to make MLs with misleading outward personalities that don't match with who they really are. I hope he turns out to be the misunderstood hard-on-the-outside-but-soft-on-the-inside type. Even so, it's so wrong to force Yejun into a heat like that. Very disrespectful and cringey. I don't think that stemmed from anything other than selfish control and possessiveness.

This was the little piece I did under another's post. Regarding his avoidance of omegas. I wrote it so I won't bombard it here.

https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/15042762/

It's in the second response. The first one got cut off.

I read it all. I want to point out a few things to you that qualify as holes in your logic.
1) The whole situation about Ian and Yejun/Noah having the rut/heat together isn't really a point that needs to be argued about who's at fault because it's a blameless situation. You can't blame animals for being overwhelmed by instincts, which is exactly what happened.
2) in most (about 95%) of omegaverse scenarios, betas don't learn any specifics about second gender issues other than the basic knowledge that alphas and omega sense pheromones and they experience heats and ruts. The details of these issues would be reserved for classes specifically tailored to alphas and omega and taken/taught after manifestation. So Yejun/Noah very well could have known little to nothing about omegas' and alphas' issues. Just as he showed very little recognition of what an inhibitor is, he may not recognize other such factors because he's never needed to and never been around them. Most betas stick with other betas. It's rare for them to intermingle outside their second gender. That's very apparent by the way the other alphas around Ian looked at him "with disgust", as he put it.
3) although young, Ian had more experience and knew very well that he was taking advantage of Yejun's/Noah's attraction to him. There is no way that he wouldn't have noticed. While Ian was probably hoping to have a fw/b relationship only, I'm 100% positive he knew that YJ/N wanted more. He was probably hoping he wouldn't say anything. He seemed annoyed and nonchalant about breaking things off with YJ/N as well. It was clear he meant little to him. He wanted an easy relationship with a beta so he wouldn't have to worry about any unwanted pregnancies and was annoyed when YJ wanted more. And he knew that YJ was inexperienced. He even asked and was told their first time having sex. He wasn't even gentle about it. He was demanding and distant. While I do understand that YJ maybe should have listened to the warnings going off in his head, I can't blame him for that. My husband was the same way with me. I was his first everything. I'd already had my first love and it was rather annoying having to deal with all those emotions he should have worked through in high school, going through that as a 25 year old (his age at the time), it can be overwhelming and make a person desperate and a little crazy.

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4) Instincts lead YJ to leave. He was embarrassed and shocked and scared. It may have been more of an emotional fear rather than physical, but it doesn't really matter. It also isn't that unlikely that Ian couldn't find him. He thought YJ was a beta, didn't know who he'd slept with and marked and YJ went back to Korea and used his Korean name, which Ian has only heard once and probably forgotten. It's not hard to assume that YJ being the omega he slept with never crossed his mind.
5) while omegas cannot have relations outside their mated partner without getting physically ill or having the mark removed (which can shorten an omega's lifespan significantly), alphas don't have that restriction. They can have multiple mated partners at the same time and can sleep with whomever, whenever. They are not bound by their mark/bond in the same way that omegas are. The only difference is that the omega(s) pheramones they are mated to only work on them and other alphas can't sense them, even during a heat.
6) We don't know a lot about their family situation, but this author likes to have one MC have no family due to a tragedy and the other have a loving family or just a complicated one. YJ already said he doesn't have a family, so that means that Ian has his family and it was already hinted at that his family is rich and prestigious. Thats great cause to plug Ian into the "spoiled alpha who is used to getting his way" category. Its very apparent in his behavior that he doesn't like being told no and is used to getting his way and being listened to without reproach. The way he treats YJ and has treated him before shows this. YJ being scared of Ian taken Siyeon away is justified because, although Ian may be okay with having the child, he made it clear he doesn't want a relationship with YJ. Now, that may have changed in 5 years (a lot can happen in even one year, so 5 is a long time to think about one thing), but he only said he wanted to find out who "took advantage of him" in his rut and "snuck into" his place. That's not very welcoming. YJ understood fundamentally that Ian may not shirk his responsibility towards their child, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't use his power, influence and money to push YJ out of Siyeon's life. And YJ wants a family, plain and simple. He doesn't want to be alone and he doesn't want to lose the only family he has left, Siyeon. Ian threatens all of that, even before Siyeon was born. I don't think Ian would give a crap about YJ being in or out of the picture, regardless of the bond, because he only wants to find out who was their that night. Doesnt matter who it was, he just wanted a name and the consequences. I think finding out it was YJ was surprising for him, but doesn't change his overall feelings about the situation. He wants the child and that's it. He's made no hints in regard to taking in them both and caring for them, only Siyeon.
So, in conclusion, I don't agree with you completely because many points you make have major holes in logic just based on fundamentals of the world. But I do hope that Ian turns out to be a good guy deep down. Obsessive, but good guy. I'm totally fine with that. But we'll see. For right now, he's just a dick who forced a heat on an unwilling partner and is trying to take said partner's child away. I do agree he has a right to know his son, and that YJ should have told him from the beginning about the pregnancy, I can understand why he didn't and also still think Ian is not capable of being emotionally mature enough to be a parent and love someone else, even paternally. Not yet. I also don't think YJ is pathetic at all. Deserving of pity, yes, but not pathetic.

1) The whole situation about Ian and Yejun/Noah having the rut/heat together isn't really a point that needs to be argued about who's at fault because it's a blameless situation. You can't blame animals for being overwhelmed by instincts, which is exactly what happened. <---- this was a debate for the general audience, esp. Those who don't agree with this. You're really sensible to se this. I don't know if you've seen, but I've been attacked for this and this alone so many times, I've lost count.


2) in most (about 95%) of omegaverse scenarios, betas don't learn any specifics about second gender issues other than the basic knowledge that alphas and omega sense pheromones and they experience heats and ruts. The details of these issues would be reserved for classes specifically tailored to alphas and omega and taken/taught after manifestation. <--- this hasn't been my experience.


So Yejun/Noah very well could have known little to nothing about omegas' and alphas' issues. Just as he showed very little recognition of what an inhibitor is, he may not recognize other such factors because he's never needed to and never been around them. <--- this is in one of the damned novel I've read as well, about a an extremely late stage development beta.

Most betas stick with other betas. It's rare for them to intermingle outside their second gender. That's very apparent by the way the other alphas around Ian looked at him "with disgust", as he put it.<--- not in my experience, they intermingle.

In some omegaverses there's been cases of betas helping out omegas who's in heat but didn't have their alpha's around them or just alphas in general.

As for looking down on him, that seems to be setting for this particular omegaverse. Most of the time it's the omegas who are looked down upon. Case in point, I was talking to this other person who kept INSISTING that omegas are discriminated against I'm this world, that is an assumption on their part based on their knowledge of other omegaverses, but it had turned out not to be true. Since Noah was able to find good jobs, based on ch. 11. Her theory was based on her experiences alone w/ her prior knowledge of other Omegaverses. And even if there were discriminations it wasn't apparent and enough to affect someone of Noah's intelligence and qualifications.

I see all of your points. But I'm willing to give Ian the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, the heartbreak is just too new.

And I don't think first love alone is the issue. Ian just didn't want any relationships other than FWB. Ofc he didn't spell it out clearly. And we can see how naive Noah is. If Noah's mute consent to the act had been interpreted as mutual consent then we can go with that. Either way neither was ready for a baby. Noah for sure wants a relationship. But Ian didn't. So it's not quite comparable to your relationship w/ your husband where both parties are on board. Also, we've ONLY BEEN seeing things from Noah's perspective. I wish we could see Ian's. We're just seeing everything very poorly. Because there is so much information that gets left out in comics and the way the subjects are drawn GREATLY affects one's interpretations so....it's not like a novel where things gets fleshed out. You don't even have to do much interpretations.

5) while omegas cannot have relations outside their mated partner without getting physically ill or having the mark removed (which can shorten an omega's lifespan significantly), alphas don't have that restriction. They can have multiple mated partners at the same time and can sleep with whomever, whenever. They are not bound by their mark/bond in the same way that omegas are. The only difference is that the omega(s) pheramones they are mated to only work on them and other alphas can't sense them, even during a heat. <---- this is based on the general ABO. We don't know if the same rules applies in this AU.

6) you're still basing all of these assumptions based on their other works and on the general experience of other ABO world building.

And no, I don't think Ian is callous and will take the baby away. He wants to co-parent for sure.

And even IF he and Noah don't connect, realistically speaking he won't be "taking the child away". There has been no indications of that. iF he had wanted to, then he COULD have done so already..no need to involve Noah into his life. The arguments AGAINST him is Great. You can't win either way. If I say he's there for their kid. Ppl say he doesn't deserve it. In your case you say he doesn't care about Noah. And then so you DO prefer he cares?!? I can't win either way because there's the camp that doesn't like him either way, and the camp that doesn't want him in Noah's life, and the camp that says he's a sleaze for NOT wanting Noah in his life and is interested in their kid ONLY, and then there's the one who says he's not even interested in the kid. I say he's interested in both. The issue for Noah is in how he will have to deal with his need to have the child be cared for despite his (unfounded fear) at the risk of losing the child to Ian, versus losing the child to his illnesses, and his feelings regarding his desire for Ian. There's NO REASON for Ian to "take the child". Again, those are FACTS based on other omegaverses. I'm also not taking Ian's words at face-value. I'm also not seeing him in that light. Now, maybe down the line he could be very well made into that typical spoiled high-handed character but whatever.

Also, their past compatibility should help greatly. Should Ian wants to settle down with him. At the age of 22/? He was a young college student so times have changed. If he had held any regards for Noah then if he's ready for a relationship then that's great. There's no telling how he would react. Even IF he had known it was Noah, if he weren't ready for a relationship he wouldn't have sought him out. There's no prerogative to look for him. Would YOU have gone to find your mated pair if you didn't want a relationship?!? It didn't have to be with Noah. Realistically speaking, even a year is too short for someone like Ian, who didn't even want a relationship. So he came in search of his omega years later, when he's ready. ¯_( ° ʖ °)_/¯¯_(ツ)_/¯. And it could have been worse, where Ian actually hates Noah.

I'm not on any team other than people being happy. Lol. Do I think Ian is a dick? Yeah, but both he and Noah change together enough to be in a happy, healthy relationship, I'm not gonna care. No one is compatible 100%. That's just unrealistic. I still don't think that Ian has more than a passing interest in Noah and is mad/embarrassed about feeling like he was taken advantage of (which I don't think he was, but he seems to feel that way about the rut). And yes, I was basing a lot of my opinion on the thousands of manga I've read, my training in psychology, my experience as a writer, the author's other works, omegaverse in general, and my personal experience.
Ian comes off as the controlling type. He has those characteristics. But, like I said, this mangaka likes to have have their MLs come off as jerks but are big softies on the inside that get misunderstood. However, this story and Ian are different than what I've seen so far in their other works. His character is a little too distant, a little too controlling and pompous and imposing. Spoiled rich kid to the max who doesn't know how to listen. He wants what he wants and will do anything to get it. Right now, he totally doesn't seem to have any romantic interest in Noah. Just a "you're my possession because we're mated", which is a typical trope. I certainly can't tell if he would be a bad father because we haven't seen him with siyeon. He seems like he would be kind of distant. Unable to get down on his level and would make up for that by buying him stuff. Lol. While maybe not a bad dad outright, that is a type of neglect.
Of course, all of this crap would be solved in a snap if they all just COMMUNICATED. I swear, that is the biggest problem with people in manga and in real life. Communication is key to any relationship, romantic or not. Without it, you just get misunderstood and hurt. Whther that's by your own making because you overanalyze or because the other person refuses to talk, doesn't matter. It all ends the same.
But they're young. Barely 25 at this point, which means they were 19-20 when they met. Barely adults at that point. When you're that age, you still don't know what you want out of life so you're bound to make mistakes and still be lead around by your fears and instincts and unable to slow down and think and instead react impulsively. But we'll see.
And hey, I'm sorry people can't actually debate 3ith yoy on points and attack you instead. A lot of people are like that nowadays. It's a type of immaturity that some just don't grow out of. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ I've gotten a lot of backlash because I typically side with the misunderstood. Like in "Yours to Claim", I really feel for Yawhi and the Jooin and I get why Yawhi reacts and does what he does. Doesn't mean I condone his actions, but I get it. Also means that I know that when he changes, he won't go back into bad habits and he's not a toxic person like so many seem to think. People like to throw the word toxic around without real understanding its meaning or when to apply it. Here, though, Ian wasn't overwhelmed by emotions when he forced Noah into heat when they met again (in the present not the first rut). He just did it to prove a point and that's not okay. He hasn't got an excuse that I can get behind for that. Which is why he's a dick in my book. Hopefully he changes, but it seems like it will take something drastic to do that.

People like to throw the word toxic around without real understanding its meaning or when to apply it. <---- this word gets used so much I referred to it as a soiled diaper in a comment in one of the legal apps I use. I said it was sprinkled so liberally it has become like a USED diaper.

Unable to get down on his level and would make up for that by buying him stuff. <--- maybe, we don't know. Ian seems playful.

But they're young. Barely 25 at this point, which means they were 19-20 when they met. Barely adults at that point. When you're that age, you still don't know what you want out of life so you're bound to make mistakes and still be lead around by your fears and instincts and unable to slow down and think and instead react impulsively. <----agreed 100%.

I would peg them at 22. Because most educational systems have undergrad as 4 years and if you graduate in four years then 18+4= 22. And they graduated so I'm assuming 22. Or older, if this has been a graduate program. But yes. If 20 then +5 then 25, or 27 if 22 starting out. As much older adults they can see life more clearly. Ian prob ready to settle down. So he goes looking for Noah. I mean, some are upset it took him so long. But I try not to get embroiled in that, because, realistically, who gonna look around for someone when they're not ready.

Ppl are ATTACKING me asking why I had even BROUGHT age into the equation. Are they kids?!? Not understanding how the world works???

Literally these guys were kids. Fresh out of college. An accident happened. And they kept blaming Ian for it, when clearly, this is a fucking alternate universe where heats happen....I don't think they fully grasp the ideas of rutting sex and pheromones. So I got attacked for saying it's not rape. But like, it is but it's not??? I don't how to define this kind of attack for animals.

Anyways, yes, they're so young..and immature and weren't ready to settle down. At least not for Ian.

It's NOT WRONG to be FWB.

Ppl are shooting him up for that. And the fact they viewed Noah as having been abandoned. When Noah, on his own, had decided to keep the baby. I even brought up the idea of ppl who don't want to carry the pregnancy to term. I brought up abortion or giving up the baby for adoption. But this person STILL wouldn't hear me out and like, lo-and-behold, the THOUGHT OF ABORTING THE BABY DID CROSS NOAH'S MIND. WHATEVER. PPL ARE DUMB. AND GETS MAD WHEN I CALL THEM OUT ON IT.

And she kept saying well, Noah is pitiful cuz he doesn't have family to help him out. (did ALL OF HIS RELATIVES DIE?!?) OK, SO MAYBE WHAT about a friendship network?!? Idk, nobody has JUST THE ONE FRIEND. There are usually at least one but not just one. Anyways. Then she kept saying that in omegaverses, omegas are ALWAYS discriminated against. And I'm like, how do you know this?!? PLUS, he's COLLEGE educated. I talked about it at length under my post/responses to her. Anyways, it was my rebuttal. And she kept saying, well who is gonna hire a pregnant omega. And I'm like, dude has a degree....before and after birthing period he could work, at least get an internship, and the baby gets older can be put into nursery. And get babysitters and she's like, no, look at him trying to make ends meet...uh, no the story showed him capable in school and jobs, even if not in love ....¯¯_(⊙_ʖ⊙)_/¯. Everything I've argued with her so far has come true. I ain't dumb. Don't make me out to be the bad guy cuz I don't agree with your views. And it turns out not only is he successful but there is no discrimination. If there is it certainly didn't DETER him. Smh.

He is CLEARLY depicted as a pitiful and helpless omega, in like those one or two scenes, who has to work EXTRA but like, lo-and-behold, cuz the kid is SICK, NOT CUZ NOAH IS INCAPABLE, AND THERE IS NO FUCKING DISCRIMINATION. He obviously could have afforded babysitters in the past even if not now. And nobody sits on their ass waiting for their child to be capable of self-care before going to work. Assumptions. Assumptions. Assumptions. No Matter WHICH point I debate these ppl on they can't see the logic. Insisting on prior knowledge based off the other thousands of omegaverses they read AND their blinded and BIASED views of the Alpha and the omega, and THIS IS WHY I'm giving everything an OPEN MIND.

Anyways lots of points to discuss. I don't mind. Just as long as I don't keep getting shots at. Mother fuckers.
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I agree. I often have to remind myself that the younger generations are into manga now and it's not such the srigma as it was when I was a child.
Btw, how old are you if you don't mind me asking? I'm in my 30s. I've been reading manga since before Google existed. Lol
But you're right, as of yet there have been no stereotypes against omega discrimination that I've seen yet. In fact, even if this author's other work, omegas weren't discriminated against as we see in many other universes. But yeah, life is going to be hard when you're a single parent with a chronically ill child. But he did say he doesn't have family. Why, I dont have a clue. Whether thats because they died or because they disowned him because of the pregnancy, I've no idea. It seems more the former, because this author loves one of the MCs to have a tragic backstory. But he made a choice and has to live with the consequences. Now that Ian has found out, he just has to sort it out and fight for what he wants. I still don't think Ian is being playful, though. Hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. He's too proud and arrogant.
But yeah, being fw/b is not a bad thing. It can get complicated if lines aren't drawn immediately, but just as someone can't help falling for someone else, you can't blame someone for not reciprocating those feelings.
Try not to let them get to you. A lot of people don't know how to handle differing opinions with grace or without feeling affronted. They get so offended for no reason. It doesn't make someone a bad person go think differently, but that's not a common understanding anymore. Commen sense is not so common, unfortunately. I have met some lovely people on here, but I've also met some nasties who have no respect for anyone and tout their opinions above everything in existence and believe they always know better. They won't get flyers far in life with that attitude and will have a rude wake up call when they're knocked off their high horses. But, just remember that you don't have to explain yourself to anyone. Its an OPINION. It doesn't need explanation and you most certainly have a right to it, just as they have a right to theirs. If they don't want to have a healthy debate, don't bother engaging in conversation. Just tell them that you've said your piece, you won't acknowledge personal attacks as they have no bearing on the conversation at hand, and wave goodbye. Thats really all you can do. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

It was said he has no immediate family.

(I don't think he's an orphan). Mom and grandma passed away. At first I thought they passed after his homecoming. But this latest ch. Said his child is the only living relative so he had decided to keep it. Hard to believe he has no relatives though.

The ByeBye was done by a different author. This one is the artist's own work. So not sure if it will be the same. I have not read most of Bye-Bye but I remember the omega is clueless but funny.

The mature responses like yours is rare. I guess cuz age really does help form more maturity.

I'll tell u my age in private message.