I have no clue what's happening
The trolls are trying to gaslight everyone.
They created like 6 accounts to harass everyone while defaming their delusions of people that don't exist but in their heads. They have been asked to stop many times but they keep exposing their immaturity. I don't know who they are talking about because they are copying my name and profile pic.
Ya'll got me messed up like idk who's real and who's an alt anymore ┗( T﹏T )┛
I don't know who they are talking about but* they are copying my name and profile pic.
what are they trying to gaslight everyone about?? ppl have to have a firmly held belief in the first place to be gaslit, is it an opinion about the manwha that they disagree on or?...
i didn't even know ppl on mangago had beef like that
The fake troll accounts will harm others or try to harm me. The real ones (TM and me) will not attack you or harm anyone. You can look at the creation date. The fake troll accounts were just made. My friend did return in this and I am following him. They copied him too.
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About me and my friends?
At the beginning, they copied TMs and My account. The first troll created two accounts. Then I don't know how many joined in because they think it is funny. When those joined it they started to talk about a user not here as if it was my friends and I. I stopped reading many of their comments it is petty and nonsense.
From what I see they don't like that sex experts are against their beliefs as we posted research, TM first then I copied and posted from his post.
https://www.healthyplace.com/abuse/rape/rape-fantasy-does-it-mean-you-want-to-be-raped
“Human sexuality experts emphatically state that rape fantasy is not wrong, but healthy and normal.”
Just by posting that they are claiming I believe that which is nonsensical. I can post things of different religions but that does not mean I believe it. I am an atheist.
They are disagreeing with facts.
Another one is I have proven this was not rape but sexual assault, sexual coercion, and abuse. They don't like that and one has wished what happened to Dan on my children.
Somehow they are illogically saying I don't see anything wrong because I see the rape they are adding to the story. I post links and factual things.
But I don't think it is about the story. It never been.
When they attack me, I call them out with research. They don't like to see who they are and they lash out. They let their hate fester instead of reflecting and changing. They don't hate me. They hate themselves and they are lashing out at the one who made them see themselves.
I will say they are being immature. Being = actions. They think I am calling them immature. I am calling out their actions for them to change their behavior.
It seems they want to attack others and they double down on this behavior. It must be true for how they are acting. If it was not true we would not be here. A lie is easily dismissed. They harassed me and I have harassed no one. I have attacked no one. We ended their sick mind game in October. They keep after us to get us to stop being here. I think. I don't know.
Somehow they are illogically saying I don't see anything wrong because I don't see the rape they are adding to the story.*
It is okay to see rape. It is just your interpretation. When it is forced on me and I am attacked. I know I am dealing with a troll or hater and I will say they are adding rape.
I do try to enlighten others that the story by taking the story, characters, and definitions there is no rape in Jinx.
When they start forcing it is rape with ad honimens. I will say they are adding rape and that they want it to be rape.
They created the problems. They have forced on many of the fandom by doing this petty things. This should be a positive and safe place for all opinions. (not saying all the comments should be positive.)
I see, thank you for explaining! I think this phrasing :
"When they start forcing it is rape with ad honimens. I will say they are adding rape and that they want it to be rape."
s where you're running into communication issues - to someone else, the list of things (sa, coercion, etc) may collectively amount to rape when you combine all the factors, and so that's how they perceive the story and the characters - you may not see it that way, and disagree, but saying that they therefore want it to be rape, is projecting ideas about the person's beliefs and character, which they will likely take offense with!
I see your point but that is not said to genuine readers or people not attacking us. It is after a series of events and trying to wake them up to their toxic behavior.
And thinking about that is probably the worst I say but to the haters/trolls. I don't say that to genuine readers. If anyone is reading this that disagrees look at what you said first. I am friends with a few that sees it as rape. We have allowed that interpretation.
They don't listen.
Yes, I could do some things differently but it is not my opinion or how I perceive the story. I will write a message saying this is not rape and explain.
So when someone posts... Jaekyung raped Dan and if it is someone I don't know.
I will share. I like to enlighten people. I like to help. Normally, it is someone else that comes in and says I am a freak, loser, or a cancer for not seeing rape. They are the ones that need your message. They need to know they may not see it that way but they don't have to attack and impose without listening to us.
They don't have to make it like we don't see the sexual assault and abuse. We point out the POV is so similar that what they call us is also talking about them. They are the ones that are projecting ideas about our beliefs and character.
I have been called a rape apologist and a rape defender. We were offended at first and stood up to that now since we know it is a lie we just brush it. They don't even know what those words mean so we would explain what it is. We have to turn it on so they are rape pov defenders. They are doing all they could to defend their pov even to harm someone. That was said just to get them to understand how we had felt.
My friend, a rape survivor, who was a hideous attack on here many times. She said you are calling us rape defenders from your pov. Can I play? She will point out things they said about rape and said from our pov Can I use my pov and call you a rapist? It was to show how we felt and asked as a question. but the trolls turned around if you call Jaekyung a rapist then you are a rapist. It has nothing to do with that or Jaekyung.
Something that was only said on two or three threads in July has been used here today. My friend was called many things, nutjob, rape apologist, and was treated awful for standing up for Rose. She talked to that person twice and what she was call a stalker. It was outrageous to you. How was she anything of that and stalking for two threads? She decided she would say something just as outrageous to them to get them to look at how they were treating her. She was saying stop screwing with us or I want you to stop the stupid, annoying, or rude thing that you are doing. She told them to stop raping her. She explained why. She was attacked and mocked more when she was telling them to stop that same behavior. She left this and rarely came back to the page and they still add her as if she has been there the whole time.
If they only listened we would not be here in this position. They create this drama all the time. TM can post something they come out to attack him. He helped with a misunderstanding and this happened. They have it out of TM but it is from their perception and projecting ideas about our beliefs and character.
I don't think communicate problems caused 6 profiles harassing everyone with projection ideas on our beliefs and character to just defame us. We would never do this to them.
I am the survivor here. I have not bullied or harassed anything but I have been a victim to many.
They are sensitive and they are hostile. I think many are in teenagers.
Yes, they could have offended them but have they looked at what they were saying to us that caused that? We are not a doormat for them. They made that happen and they made us go hard when we were soft at the beginning. TM tried so hard and he was just a joke. They are cruel for how they went about this. We have been willing to forgive them and have forgive a few. We tried to work things out. They don't want to. They see our actions as you did but they don't see their actions that lead to our actions .
We always asked for a civil conversation and we don't act even close to how they treated us. We call them haters or trolls but that is from their actions, we are not calling them themselves trolls and haters. They can change their behavior. They have called us trolls and now haters but that simply does not fit what we write or handle things. However, our words is a call out and theirs is to hurt and harm. Their comments are "to antagonize (others) online by deliberately posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content"
We are using their actions and words with definitions. They keep saying we label them but they are labeling themselves.
them calling us trolls, and whatever vulgar terms that is them projecting their ideas on our beliefs and character. These 6 accounts are them projecting their ideas on our beliefs and characters. I don't even know who they are talking about. It is not me or my friends they are talking about.
In the beginning, TM tried to explain and have civil conversations but he did not know they were trolling them and was made a joke. He slowly backed off and then he was harassed. He is still harassed. We have stalkers.
When they are attacking and they trying to make it rape with imposing and gaslighting.
I say they are adding rape and if they seem obsessive with rape I will say they just want it to be rape. I know they are a hater and a troll by that point. If they accepted they could see rape and others don't see rape to don't attack them. We would not be here. Them attacking the ones that do not see rape or liking Jaekyung or shipping Dan and Jaekyung has been happening since the comments opened up and happened before we got here.
We would not think to say if they were not forcing that POV on me. We never forced a POV on them. When I say for them to think about what they are doing.
The communication issues happen before I talk to some of them. We had asked for a civil conversation many times and they just kept attacking. With multiple accounts and followers.
This happens with anything.
It could be "yaoi is not porn" and I get attacked, or this story is not Stockholm Syndrome.
I just post the definitions to them. They don't get as hostile with the first topic. It is something else and not with the story that someone has a beef with us. It does come off as it is part of the story. We think we know the real problem. We think we know who the first troll was and who has been behind everything. I will make that more of a question now to be less offensive. I am willing to work things out but they don't want to. They don't see that they are most of the problem. They don't take responsibility for their toxic actions. I don't want to offend them. I want them to be better people. They camp out here just to attack people different from them and people from the fandom. All opinions should be welcome. Hateful comments attacking people are not opinions.
I think it is funny that trolls have been called JK stans. They are the ones causing the problems. We just stand up to the ones causing it and no one of us is a JK Stan. I never give my opinion. It is sad when Rose said she hates the story and JK, she is made into a JK stan.
This is not genuine reader vs genuine reader. It is a fandom vs a hate group who are here to silence the fandom and the ones they think are different from them.
You needed to prove read some more.
I think it started after they told us to go kill ourselves. I know you were not apart of this until October. I forgot who said it first but I think it was to someone they had already met a few times.
I don’t remember saying that.
The only thing I did was call outs. TM explained and tried to connect to people. He tried to correct what he thought were misunderstandings. TM was only dogpile and mocked. Then we stopped engaging with bad-faith actors. They will not leave us. Their hate is what lead to this and it is by their actions and thoughts the project on us.
When you come to check if the new chapter is up and see the comments section in shambles like Σ( ￣□￣||)