yoyo the twins gonna get their story just wait.
Ma'am/sir respectfully and without any offence.. you're trying to normalize rape! I'm telling you no decent human being would react that way (ik they're all lunatics one way or other). There were many ways to make them suffer seriously saying like i myself know shit tons of things he would've done to make both of them suffer but rape is a big deal dude, I wouldn't wish that even on my greatest enemy. And sorry but that is definitely NOT how an actual sane human should react. YES they are both PSYCHOTIC CRIMINALS, RAPIST etc etc but where does Dooshik think he stands now after all that? No where, no-fucking-where. He's not cool, he's not stable, he's nothing but a psychopath to even that IDEA! Murdering would have been right, torture would've been so damn satisfying dude I'd even had LOVED to see Jooha torture the living shit outta them but nah rape.. no no a big fat fucking no. And I do understand where you're coming from but honestly that was very immature of him he could've handled it way more maturely and sorry idk why you think a human being should react that way but no way in hell an actually stable and sane human would even think of that idea!
exactlyyy.!!
the way the story written was in extreme sexual violence, there's no doubt that there is underlying romanization of the horrors from the way it was drawn. The aftermath chapters LITERALLLY display Jooha's disheartened and condemned emotions towards his actions yet HE understood the circumstances. They're so broken that they are stooping low to get at them for the all suffering.
Going to the side stories, even Dooshik is actually relieved and SOMEWHAT HAPPYYY to know that Jooha doesn't remember anything, even if it means forgetting him, he's fucking glad, he'll have new memories with Jooha instead. It's a burden lifted out of (his and) Jooha's burden to know he won't remember any of the horrors. I see the problems that the writers and artists wanted to depict their revenge in the worse way possible. And they honestly perfected it. That chapter was quite disgustingly-cathartic giving me alleviation.
hi, nice to meet Gt3rs^^ i think ppl are seeing from a more disconnected point of view, theres no way to say what dooshik did wasnt wrong or is forgettable at all, i think we all agree on that, the choice he made- made him of the very kind that hurt jooha and is something he has to live with. as op said, "there are no saints".
its easier to say "this is bad, this is good", without taking into consideration why someone would take revenge in such ways. humans have never been monochromatic, diverse morals can exists withing whats considered good or bad.
why would it be better to kill them? or torture them? or beat them up? isnt that just as bad? just as abusive? what makes murder and torture more acceptable when theyre all awful ways of abuse? why is there a scale to what or which type of abuse can be understood or accepted? rape and torture (one of them u mentioned as an alternative) are inherently the crimes that cannot be done out of self-defense but for rage, revenge or degenerate preferences, murder can be argued as self-defense but shares circumstances where it can be out of rage, revenge and even degenerate preferences.
i agree with u at the end and i hope i didnt come off as aggresive^^. the real discourse should be on why dooshik thought his only option was to take revenge in a physically abusive way for something jooha never asked him to take revenge for. when he was someone with enough contacts to organize something like that he surely had way more options.
** to add on- i put myself in his shoes but as a survivor, i wouldnt do the same so i cant picture jooha ever forgiving him either.
however... the thought of my sister, nephews or even bestfriend (god forbid) being abused in any way… i do think my first reactive would be to think i'd do the same and even worse to their abusers. just like dooshik, i would, over anything, choose to deal with that wrong choice knowing i might not be any better.
from the heart it might be something i'd do bc of them, my loved ones. but it can be argued i didnt do it "for" them bc it does not ease their pain, at the end it is a selfish choice to subdue one's own rage over knowing i cant take away what they've done to the people i failed to protect and no "sorry" would either.
No one forgot what Dooshik did to the twin brother. We just didn’t forget how much suffering the sexual exploiters did to Jooha. You may not agree with what Dooshik did, but you need to get out of your high horse if that’s not how a human being would react. The twins are CRIMINALS PREYING ON THE POOR. They TORTURE, RAPE, DRUG. When YOU have someone you LOVE get PREYED by evil people like that WHO LAUGH while doing it, YOU’RE the one who isn’t human enough to not react intensely to that. Wanting revenge is too underrated. Especially in this context when it’s about monsters who do not give a damn what they do to other people. JOOHA is a civilian. He doesn’t live to hurt others like the gangsters, no matter how sad the story of the twins are. If you want to stay pure and proud by adhering to your morals, sure. But personally, I think that's the same as keeping your head down, safe in your bubble, away from the dirt and rot of the world. Dooshik got his hands dirty, because otherwise, nothing will change. Ultimately, he did it for himself - because he couldn't bear it anymore. Jooha's suffering is his own, and he even feels it twice because it's not happening to him directly. It's HUMAN. Dooshik IS SUCH A HUMAN BEING and imo the insane empathy he has represents what a human should be. We're not looking for saints. There are no saints.
On that note, this really isn’t for the faint of heart. It’s extremely upseting and the first chapters REALLY needed a content warning bc there is torture porn. But i cannot even criticize that bc that is exactly what the criminals are doing. They’re… making torture porn and they’re absolute monsters.