I think she’s great. Very queenly. Usually they’re either villains, incompetent or just a figurehead. Whenever a queen or a king has personality as well as authority, they tend to be entertaining and insightful.
She’s kind of forcing fl to go to a place where she, with all due respect, is not qualified for. Honestly she just seems super annoying bc she’s forcing others to do her bidding while she kinda just stands around and watches. If she’s so “queenly” then I feel like she should lead them to fight.
The way I see it, all her subordinates aka the other nobles and knight order were doing things lowkey without speaking to her about it. They all had this undercover secret plot going and she can sense it. She’s also figured out that the FL Is strangely at the heart of it. The reason why everyone flipped their stands from thinking the FL isn’t qualified to go with them from thinking she should go with them speaks volume on the fact that the Queen was essentially two steps ahead of any of them: the moment they leave the FL behind, whoever is after them is just going to pounce. Therefore, she’s safer with them. Meanwhile, the fact remains that they’re still hiding shxt from the Queen and yet she’s figured that out by herself and basically forced them to expose themselves on the matter.
Yes, it’s true that she is safer with the group, but the thing I’m mad about is that the queen wants them to go into a place where fl could die. If the queen really wanted fl to stay safe, she would have just told the group to protect fl and not take her on any expeditions or whatever. And the queen being two steps ahead of everybody just makes her seem like a control freak. Since she’s already figured out what they’re doing, and she knows that they’re not planning a coup to murder her, shouldn’t she just let it go? Like I know that she’s a dictator and she has to have absolute power and she has to scare the hell out of her subordinates every damn day, but shouldn’t she be worried about her subjects wanting to overthrow her?
Oh, I don’t think her main objective was for the FL to be safe. It’s really to resolve whoever is fkng around in her kingdom and causing all the mayhem they’ve been going through right now. By them going with the FL, it’ll be faster to do so as whoever is causing mayhem are targeting the FL in the first place. If she’s a queen, she should know what’s up. She should be two steps ahead. The last thing I’d want is an incompetent queen who’s just following along everyone else’s plan. That doesn’t seem like an intelligent ruler to me. Not sure about the dictator bit, though. Her people have too much free rein to act as they please for her to be one. I think they recognize her as the leader she is and that’s all there is to it. I haven’t seen a character yet even think about overthrowing her because she’s bad at what she’s doing.
I saw in a previous chapter where it was heavily implied (if not mentioned) that she executed people because fl wouldn’t meet with her. If the people around her saw what she was doing (executing people without a good reason) I feel like they would have quit their jobs bc they would be next, right? And I also saw that the knight next to the queen in one of the chapters was really being stressed out by her. Since he’s a royal knight, he should be able to like just quit his job and find a job that still has high wages, right? But it seems like he’s staying with her bc he’s scared of her. And I still hate how the queen literally has no qualms about sending fl (who is still a CHILD) to her death, even if she is with people who can keep her safe. If she really was a good ruler, then she’d volunteer to go with the group, right? And if the group members did not have any thoughts about overthrowing her, it’d be perfectly safe, right? And then she wouldn’t have the deaths of innocents on her conscience (but I doubt she had one anyways, so it doesn’t matter) and the queen also seems pretty physically capable too.
But I do agree on the fact that the queen is really intelligent
She’s a ruler, rulers don’t go out on the battlefield, they delegate. Even if she was more powerful than anyone in that room, it would be a stupid decision as a ruler to go out there and risk her life when she’s meant to rule an entire kingdom. Some rulers don’t even do that in times of war because it’s ill-advised. Anyone who prefers to go out there and risk their lives shouldn’t be a ruler.
And technically they’re only kids in modern day’s standard. I’m pretty sure the FL was said to be either 18 or 20 years old, which a lot of readers were shocked by because she looks like she’s either 14-16. She’s an adult in this story.
The way I see it, a monarch who can maintain their position and rule their kingdom as it should, would naturally inspire fear, respect and loyalty from their subjects. We haven’t once seen that any of them felt she was a bad Queen, so there’s no way that anyone who has worked hard enough to have a position right under her, would quit just because she’s scary. Any ruler is scary because they’re so high up in the hierarchy. Especially in a world so heavy with magic. She could just decide to kill them on a whim and no one could say shxt. If she was the kind of ruler to do that however, I feel like this would be a completely different story because we’d be dealing with a dictator at that point.
To me it just sounds like you wished she was nicer so people weren’t afraid of her, but I don’t see why that matters when they don’t despise her or think she’s a bad ruler.
Also I’m not saying you have to like her or anything. All I’m saying is as a queen, she’s pretty badass and up there with the best monarchs I’ve seen in webtoons. Especially when most of them are usually men.
I completely agree with you. But if it was me i could never explain as well as you did there,with every sentence I read from your explanation I couldn't agree more fr,
Haha thanks, I tried my best
Pretty sure it says somewhere that she was 17, I’ll find it in a sec. And she literally was killing people on a whim. On chapter 42, when Renee recalls how the past Renee wouldn’t meet with the queen, it says that she killed some people so…
Even if she's 17, by historical stories standard, she's an adult. They typically have a have a coming of age ceremony at 16, meaning they're considered grown enough to take on bigger roles withhin the family, of representing the family, and of being married off to have kids. 17-20, she's an adult.
Killing people responsible to make fake Renée come see her because they failed at their task since fake Renée blatantly ignored her summons isn't the definition of killing on a whim. Is killing them a harsh punishment? Absolutely. But the fact that she summoned her multiple times before the consequence was for people to die means it wasn't a whim. I'm not negating the fact that she's scary. I'm saying she's at the top of the foodchain and that means anyone can get it. However how does that make the current queen a dictator I'm not sure how fair it is to debate the version of the queen from what Real Renée thinks is a novel, to the version that just sent her on a mission. None of the characters are exactly as they were in the "novel" Renée transmigrated into.
I feel like you shouldn’t use “historical” context to justify the queen doing what she did to Renee. From what your paragraph says, you’re basically saying that since minors were expected to represent their families back then, it’s ok to expect Renee to do the same? Like, ok, slavery was also legal before the civil war but that doesn’t make it any less terrible or justifiable. And the queen actually does share many traits with dictators. For example, the queen solves the problem of Renee not meeting with her by using brute force and extreme measures instead of diplomacy. Many dictators also choose violence and coercion to get their ways, like the queen. Also, the queen is a bad ruler because her actions are unjustified, even strategically (bc you seem to think that bc she was able to figure out their plan fast, that makes her a genius). Even if she’s not “killing on a whim”, she is still executing innocent people for something outside their control. If she’s a good ruler, she should know that killing her own people weakens her rule in the long run. An actually good ruler has intelligence as well as a good sense of justice, and this queen clearly does not. Even if she can come up with some smart strategies, that doesn’t erase the fact that she’s committing atrocities that harm her own kingdom. A good ruler wouldn’t needlessly destroy lives when other options exist. And back to the point of the queen forcing Renee to go on a dangerous mission when she is underage. Although the queen knows that Renee has some kind of hidden strength, Renee doesn’t know how to use it which means that Renee will probably mess up the mission and be a liability rather than a asset. A good ruler would make sure that their soldiers were properly trained before throwing them into dangerous shit. Also, Renee’s power could potentially be very valuable, so the queen killing her off before even figuring out what she can do is dumb.
But what would be the point to discuss a story set in a historical genre if we’re going to ignore the fact that that’s why it’s allowed to happen in the first place? If I wanted things to be morally correct, I’d stick to stories set in modern days. The Queen isn’t a diplomat. She’s a Queen and unless I’ve missed a chapter that proves the contrary, a very capable one. I feel like you keep wanting her to be anything but what she actually is (I say this because you bring up terms like justice, diplomat, and also wanting her to go on the mission herself) and I just don’t understand that at all.
Historical settings don’t automatically justify poor leadership. The queen’s methods may align with the setting, but that doesn’t mean they’re good ruling strategies. Also, I don’t think you read my paragraph. I literally said that since the queen has to resort to violence to get her way, that doesn’t make her a good queen, because a good ruler would try to find a nonviolent way. The queen has quite a disregard for human lives, which is a trait many dictators have. Also, can you give me a reason you think the queen is a good ruler? Like I know you think the queen is smart bc she was able to figure out the plan quickly but that doesn’t really make her a good ruler.
Now I’m the one who feels like you haven’t read anything I’ve said from the beginning. Literally everything I said about her from the start was about why I liked her as a queen. And again, her resorting to violence is you referring to the version of her from the “novel” Renée read, rather than anything she’s done in current time.
Anyway, at this point it feels like we’re going in circles (especially since it seems you didn’t take anything I said before into a count), so I’d really rather end it here. At the end of the day, you don’t like her and I do and it’s fine either way.
Is it just me or is the queen annoying as fuck