So we're ignoring the rape okok I like crazy but this is really annoying me since i had fa...

i dont think it was rape at all, the uke accepted the deal and basically seme had the consent?

Exactly maybe he did went to far a bit bye it isn’t really rape

Coercion is technically grape

If you have to coerce someone into saying yes because blackmail or whatever, it's not consent. Either way, with a title like that, no way this story was gonna portray a healthy relationship

Saying "I'm gonna have consensual sex with the guy you like unless you sleep with me" is not coercion.

Theres no real sensible danger. In fact they even did it together so

ml twists his words to say hurt tho. that guy likes bdsm but nanjo is being fed a different personality and thinks he is like being pressured into it and that the choking thing is abuse. ml knowingly fuels this idea by saying "if you don't want me to hurt him" when only the readers, the ml, and that guy know the full story. just cause we know it's consensual between them, doesn't mean nanjo knows that cause both are lying to him to manipulate him

not talking about just bc someone gave consent doesnt mean its healthy and alldat, i just gave my opinion because dude couldve said no but he wanted to "protect" the twink so bad he agreed at the end

Mm but it is consensual, Nanjo knows he agreed to sex with Mk, but yes it wasn't because he wanted too. Also MK didn't mean it when he first proposed the deal, he was upset because he knew Nanjo was delusional and wouldn't belive anything he said.
Nanjo can say no, as MK told him. Still MK is wrong because he's playing him

Yeah no that's on him for being purposefully dense.

You're not going to convince me that an adult male doesn't know what S&M is. It's a very common thing and he literally SAW the dude begging for it.

If he thinks that's abuse that's him projecting his white moonlight persona on the guy. Literally how do you think someone is pure when they point blank asked you for a threesome.

Like...how much clearer does he need it to be?

It's not normal or ok to accept sleeping with someone else to "protect" someone from a made up threat. Imagine your ex told your boyfriend to suck his dick unless he wanted him to hit on you.

Do you get how crazy it would be for him to accept and blow him? It's the same here.

Literally. I'm not justifying the dudes actions but none of them are that bad. That said, none of them are that good either. Any one of the three could jump off a building and die and it would have the same emotional impact. All trashy in their own way just in slightly varying degrees

Exactly you get it. It's wrong because it's not ok to play with human emotions like that but it's not rape or forceful.

then my bf won't be freely giving his consent. like you just proved the point, consent must be freely given, without threats, coercion, manipulation, or pressure. even if nanjo misunderstood the situation or was wrong about whether his situationship liked rough sex, it doesn’t matter. if I had a partner who had no clue what bdsm was and he saw me getting choked by another guy and who I was egging on to do it, not everyone has the ability to make that judgement. some people can't read body language or anything and in the moment, nanjo isn't comfortable with that play so he interprets it differently. if my bf was vanilla sweet, he would probably freak out, the sweet thing. manipulation happens in the moment, where ml confronts nanjo and literally gives him two options, sleep with me I won't "hurt" him, or don't sleep with me and I will. there is no "out" here in nanjo's mind because HE IS BEING MANIPULATED. I swear this is what victim blaming is even if you not asking what nanjo was wearing lmaooo. questioning the smarts of the victim rather than going after the manipulator. it doesn't matter if nanjo is the most stupid person in the world, you do not NOT try to manipulate even with words to get someone to sleep with you. I also don't care if my bf saw me crying begging for it for hours bro, in the moment if my ex was like "yeah imma hurt her if you don't-" immediately the ml is shaping an image in nanjo's mind of what that might look like, what he saw doesn't matter if he is currently faced with a choice of stop the harm or don't stop the harm. leave my poor vanilla bf alone this ex of mine is apparently a psycho. doesn't matter what we the readers know, we see things differently than what nanjo has been led to believe. he believed someone he loves was at risk, he wasn’t thinking clearly about the kink, and he was reacting to fear and manipulation. also calling him "naive" shows how he most definitely appears to the ml. what do manipulators do? they look for emotionally vulnerable people to manipulate. if you see him as naive, so does the ml and WE HAVE HIS THOUGHTS. we literally see how the ml sees nanjo as stupid, and USES THAT to twist the way he speaks to him. saying “he shouldn’t blown him” is like saying a mugging victim shouldn’t have handed over their wallet. the real problem is the threat, not the response to it.

Yes, the situation is wrong no matter where you see it, but they both are responsible. Saying is only MK fault because he's a manipulator is taking responsability from Uke and Nanjo, because he agreed to it, he is deluding himself and has his own predjuices to MK, that lead him to make that choices.
He could say no, MK told him, he also told him he olnly needs to remove the cause of the problem, and hints at him that uke is not that good, but he refuses to see it, because of his predjuice.
The uke is the one that started that play.
But theres one thing that annoys me more, and is that MK didn't try harder to tell the true to N, he had many opportunities but he just gives hints, and as he sees N don't belive him, he let it be.

also even if the manipulation is subtle, if we ignore the ml saying "do you want to protect him from me?" (implying hurt) it's still coercion. if the ml designed the situation to corner nanjo, using knowledge of his jealousy and insecurities to create that “deal,” then we are still faced with if the ml didn't word it that way and didn't use that observation against him, nanjo wouldn't want to sleep with him. things like fear, guilt, emotional instability, or manipulation that make us do and say things we normally wouldn't do. nanjo did say "yes" but I don't think we shouldn't take that lightly, the same way just because someone says "yes" it doesn't always make it consensual

It doesn't matter if Nanjo's fear is irrational or not. If he's feeling pressured into saying yes it's coercion.
Mk knowingly abuses Nanjos irrational fears to emotionally manipulate him into feeling like he has to agree to having sex. He does this too when Nanjo tries to end the contract and reverse his "consent".
Mk also says it himself that he's forcing sex on someone who hates him that it's rape. Ofc he then deludes himself into believing it's not when Nanjo reacts bodily. Not to mention the way Nanjo is resigned, absent, then panicking during sex, pushing Mk away and telling him to stop.... Consent is multifaceted and in this case obviously not there.
Anyways I don't mind rape fantasies in fiction, personally I just hoped Mks character would develop in a different way instead of getting more of an asshole every chapter. If it stays toxic af I'm still here for the ride xD

....Jesus Christ.


Im not quite sure I got all that, and honestly I don't feel like reading it again. It looks like you have had messy relationships. And the boyfriend thing was just an example to iluminate how stupid you argument was, I don't mean anything by it so if u don't want me to talk about your partner I won't.



Look. I'm going to be as nice as I possibly can, but if you see someone moaning while getting fucked roughly and asking for more, and your only thought I'd that it's abusive, even though I think it's stupid ASF, I could accept it.

But in that case, what you're supposed to do is search for more information. Go on the internet. Ask around, see if it's normal. Go talk to your boyfriend, make sure he's alright.

(The same boyfriend, who I might add, has asked you numerous times to be more rough with him)


But the guy had a CHOICE. If someone does that to you, you go to the fucking police, or to your fucking boyfriend. He's rich, for god's sake.
That's what any normal person does.

I don't think I can say that any more clearly? You don't fuck the guy who told you he's going to sleep with your lover instead (even if it WAS an abusive rela, you do NOT do that.)

Do you not get that? It's different if someone imposes a real threat but that is literally not what is going on here.


Again, I'm not defending the male lead. He's scum. But this is emotional manipulation at best, and a very light one at that.


The black hair guy is the one who decided to do that instead of trusting his partner, who does not need to be infantilized and can say NO.

Like. I really don't understand what youre hung up on? Idk if you're just young or something (in which case you should NOT be reading this) but there's a reason this isn't illegal

He's bantering. "Do you want to protect him from me" is to rile him up.

I accidentally sent that without finishing writing my reply oops

Look legally speaking this is light emotional manipulation at best.

For there to be coercion you need either 1) violence 2)grave intimidation or 3) real credible threat.

This is neither of them. He's playing with his emotions and yes, it's wrong, but it's not coercion because he didn't take away the guys liberty to consent at any point.

Nanjo just chose something out of his own will to play hero. And he doesn't WANT to have sex, he's doing it out of a misguided sense of responsibility, Ig? But he still gave his consent. For all the wrong reasons, he still gave it.

Sexual acts are tricky because they're so personal, but ik this case he was just "threatening" having consensual sex with the guy. Nanjo just thought he was scummy(rightfully so). But he can be as worried as he wants, that doesn't anull his decision making capabilities so therefore there was no force and thus no coercion