
how are you going to call people problematic for not approving of an older guy that partly raised the guy he now likes? if you told someone about a situation like this irl they would be genuinely concerned, reasonably so. you can like older men (i like older people too) but the normal reaction is to find it odd when an older man is interested in someone they watched grow up

i forgot to write this in my original reply, think about that one manhwa (dangerous convenience store, i think?) older seme younger uke, their relationship is completely different but the age gap is similar, they MET as two adults who both felt attraction and shared moments that made those emotions flourish

But why are why bringing real life into fiction where 99% of the ships are problematic as hell?
The whole point of fiction is that you know it's not real and the actions you tolerate here is no gauge of what you tolerate in the real world.
So people who get on soap boxes to pass judgement while reading the same problematic story are quite weird.

i dont read the same problematic stories, i dont enjoy problematic situations even in fiction, rape, pedophilia, morally wrong concepts are still things i dont tolerate even in media. my conscience doesnt just disappear out of thin air, the "its just fiction" argument is small minded and stupid. things that happen in fiction happen all the time irl too

im allowed to have an opinion lol? i had no idea whatever his name is was going to be a "second ml" and even if i did im allowed to express that i find it unpleasant. he isnt the male lead, his whole character in this story is irrelevent and he adds no significance, his disappearance from the story would mean nothing. if he had been ugly nobody would be accepting him as even an option, the only reason he is getting a pass in fiction is because he is drawn "attractive"
not liking one character means im not allowed to criticise the media ive been reading? are you purposely acting ignorant while attempting to prove a point with no bearing by speaking eloquently? fiction is written by real people, real people are reading said fiction, judgement and criticism is what comes after creating and publishing fiction. if you need it over simplified to understand then here is an example:
-it is morally wrong to like children, in fiction and in real life
no real children are harmed in fiction, but you would not want to read a story about a child and an adult getting intimate, that would be disgusting and legally there would be consequences. yet you cant say anything when a character looks uncannily similar to a child but is "aged up" to 18+, the defense is "theyre an adult! adults can look young too!" "its just fiction!"
in conclusion fiction can be damaging too, i can see a wrong and still see the rights, criticism towards something you like is not going to kill you, hope this helps!

hi ily i've presented the same argument hundreds of times on this site. I'm sorry but people here defend literal shotacon/lolicon too, saying its just fiction. so u shouldn't expect much from people on here. I've just accepted that people are gonna remain weird no matter what.
the only thing that pisses me off now is when I'm reading something and I find a part of it weird, I'll comment regarding it and everyone's gonna attack me and tell me to just drop it. like? i just didn't like that specific part can I not voice out my opinion anymore lmao

So would it be fair for me to say it's morally wrong for relationships involving grooming to be as wrong in fiction as it is in real life?
Despite no real people being harmed in the fiction, it would be odd to want to read a story where an adult will be positively displayed engaging in a relationship with a child they groomed?
Because fiction can be damaging too, so long as I say "grooming is bad" I can read and like the story because there's some good parts?

STOP, you're acting dumb right now bro, they explained it to you so clearly and simple. An adult that watched you grow wanting to have sexuals relationship with you is weird bro, how is that hard to understand.
Here's an example: A friend of your dad watched YOU grow up and now that you turned 18 he wants to date you, don't you think that's weird as fuck.
Fiction or not, it's weird, it's like saying its totally okay to read shotacon just cause is fictional.
people in the comment section are really problematic in the society. Mc and second ml are boh adults. Stop saying that "bUt He sAw hiM GRoW uP" well are u saying second ml's parents should have fwop fwop when mcs parents fwoped fwoped.