Right ppl always say yaoi is worse than Yuri but this one is damn near a genderbent yaoi toxic revenge rape plot with suspiciously hetero looking characters
um butch lesbian exist..
We know, but with the context of the masc lesbian raping the girl and blackmailing her, it just feels like one of those stories where the author fetishizes wlw relationships in the same way yaoi authors will make grown men look like little girls and then make the entire plot them getting taken advantage of by abusive buff dudes, if that makes sense? Like in these wlw and mlm stories, the authors take it upon themselves to establish a clear woman/man dynamic even tho they're both the same sex
No the author just has weird fetishes. This is clearly not written by a man, u can see from her other work as well. Also she does not "look like a man." Shes butch and she looks butch whats with the level one lgbt shit
Ur not entirely wrong about the yaoi stuff but its not applicable here. She is simply a butch lesbian The story here is whack but nothing abour it screams "heterosexual relationship standin!!" They're lesbians doing bdsm and one of them is butch. Butches are rare in Yuri to begin with so its absolutely not comparable to the yaoi oroblem
It really is comparable tho, bdsm is not rape. And no one is denying that butch lesbians exist, my point is that because butch lesbians get so little representation within Yuri, the fact that the plot of this one is so much like a yaoi (with the rape disguised as bdsm and overall toxic plot) just feels iffy, hence why the original commenter said it was a "girl yaoi". The author may have weird fetishes, I haven't had a chance to look at her other works, but the way this one was written specifically just feels off
I never said BDSM is rape. I acknowledge the first sex scene is sexual assault. However they're doing BDSM petplay for most of the story. And Im saying that butchfemme is not comparable to yaoi authors treating ukes as stand-ins for women because Butchfemme is rare in yuri to begin with.
I do get your point, but I still believe it is comparable cuz just because the butch representation is small in yuri, doesn't mean what little representation they have will be represented correctly. Whether or not it is comparable is subjective I suppose, I'm not saying that writing a butch character in yuri is automatically giving her a "male" dynamic with the other girl, however it leaves a bad taste in my mouth when they write the objectively stronger and more masculine appearing character as a vengeful predator who takes advantage of the other's weakness.
Perhaps I only feel this way because it was a very short story that began with rape, followed with blackmail, and ended with a 10 year time skip and a good ending, so we have pretty much no insight into who these characters are as people. If this had been a fully fleshed out story, then I perhaps could've looked past it's beginnings
Just cause the story is wack doesn't mean you claim that mascu lesbians are yaoi or straight you weirdo
k I get what you guys are saying. I wasn’t trying to say butch lesbians aren’t valid or that looking masculine is a bad thing. I just felt like the way the character was drawn, paired with the whole plot being fetishy and badly written — rape to blackmail to a random happy ending — gave off the same vibe that’s seen in most yaoi, just with female characters. I get that my wording came off wrong though :P
I'm glad I understood your point from the beginning and wasn't defending someone for no reason lmaoo, people get very defensive when it comes to representation and I feel like sometimes that leads them to fully reject any criticism of whatever little rep they get. No hate to these people but this is a touchy subject so opinions often get misconstrued if they aren't articulated perfectly
lmfao tysm i agree with everything you said in your replies.. I'll be honest though ,,I'm not someone who can speak about wlw rep in media, especially in a badly written pornhwa like this one.
i lowkey just plagiarized two people's comments, neither of them got negative replies but I steal them nd suddenly its a bad thing..
the top comment is literally "bai this is literally girl yaoi not yuri "
THE SECOND TOP COMMENT, someone said that they felt like the author's tried to make the top look too much like a man, and a lot of people agreed with them, including me..
so now wus da deal when i say it.. is it cuz im unoriginal?
You’re really calling me a weirdo over a take on one character in a pornhwa ?? I never said masc lesbians are yaoi or straight — I didn’t even think about it like that until y’all brought it up. I was clearly talking about this specific story and how it plays out like typical porn yaoi, plus the character design choices
“You claim that masc lesbians are yaoi or straight” — bro, the only word from that sentence that was even in my original comment was “yaoi” stop reaching
This one butch character isn’t the face of all masc lesbians, and I never claimed she was. lmfao
Stop acting defensive yes it was weird and this isn't even about the webtoon. It's about your bad wording you literally said she LOOKS like yaoi referring to the character design which doesn't make sense she just looks like a masc lesbian
fukass girl yaoi the black haired girl looks like a straight up man