Some people don’t seem to understand what fantasy is really about

waiting another year for GTA 6 is fxcking stressful bro ((

just because its real doesnt mean it needs to be the focus of my manhwa. the difference is, stories like this are romanticizing it, making it seem like its okay to just continue even if your partner says no. because thats pretty much all jaekyung does. its actually insane how much rape there is in these stories. your “yum” can be toxic relationships, but in no situation should it be literal rape. there is a definitive line that authors like this are continuously crossing and frankly, it’s disgusting and disturbing how much they seem to enjoy writing about these characters being tortured almost nonstop. it gets to a point where its no longer good storytelling. a few rape scenes isnt that big of a deal- but *this*??? this is straight up fetishizing. this is almost every interaction they have, is kim dan being abused. over and over ffs.
~ sincerely, a 3x victim that just wants to read goddamn normal manhwa. (≧∀≦)

Guess what, we're adults and we know rape is not okay :DDD this is not for kids for a reason. The only useful thing you can do is to use this immense sense of justice by tracking down minors who reaaaally shouldn't read this. (≡^∇^≡)
Authors enjoy? I don't know, maybe... But that's just what sells the most bruh you're just part of the minorities that don't have an open mind and can handle horrible fictional characters._.
Tells me something, are you one of those who are STILL going to read it till the end and be like "omg best seme"?

There are countless movies and other forms of media that romanticize or depict violence, including sexual violence. So why do some people get so upset over fictional portrayals? At the end of the day, it’s fiction. Even if someone were to act out harmful behavior in real life because of something they saw in media, the responsibility lies with that individual, not with the creators or consumers of fiction.

Many people engage in consensual BDSM and rough roleplay, which often includes elements like gagging or being tied up. These scenarios can even involve pretending to be uncomfortable as part of the dynamic. Are we going to say that's wrong, too? Because if we are, then we're ignoring the fact that these are grown adults making informed, consensual choices. Just like actors in a film, no one is actually being harmed, it’s all performance.

Characters in stories aren't real. And even when real actors are involved, they're playing roles in a controlled, fictional setting. So when people explore certain fantasies through media or roleplay, it doesn't mean they endorse those acts in real life. It’s just a form of expression or fetish, and that’s valid.

To clarify, I'm not personally into rape-themed content, I misspoke if it came across that way. But I don’t think people should be judged for exploring dark or violent themes in fiction. Condemning that can lead to limiting creative freedom.

I don’t think creative freedom should be limited, but also don’t think free speech should be limited because if someone doesn’t like something, they can very well comment on it and it may not be a comment that you necessarily enjoy but if you’re in for a penny, you’re in for a pound if you want to support Freedom in creation, you should also support freedom and critique now I don’t necessarily condone being an evil spiteful person when continuing something, but you have the ability to do so in a respectful way. And that is in regard to something like this website or something like archive of our own. Now I personally don’t believe that you should necessarily take everything you consume under a Microsoft, but you should definitely think critically about the media consuming, and that also applies to this one.

You don’t get to apply logic when you see fit. Rape will always be unacceptable with or without children.

Only appropriate way to handle having rape in your story is if it serves a purpose. Mc having a toxic past relationship etc messing up his current one which they can work on together.

This story just shows the seme raping our uke over and over again. It’s not necessary and it’s sick. We know the 2 of the will end up together. It serves absolutely no purpose to the story. Why not do bad when it’s forgiven? That’s what the artist is showing people. Gross.

So now liking BDSM or non-con in fiction automatically makes someone disgusting? That’s not calling out abuse, that’s just kink-shaming.

I’m not into that kind of thing myself, but let’s be real: if two consenting adults want to explore rape fantasies, through roleplay or fiction, it’s not anyone else’s business. As long as minors aren’t involved in the plot or audience, no one’s being harmed. It’s fiction. It’s fantasy. That’s it.

And saying it’s only “acceptable” if it serves some deep emotional trauma arc? That’s laughable. Fiction doesn't need your moral approval to exist. People don’t need to justify their tastes to you. Not every story has to teach a lesson or follow your idea of what’s meaningful.

Funny how rape in fiction suddenly “crosses the line,” but murder, torture, war, and all kinds of violence are glorified in mainstream movies and games, and no one bats an eye. So killing people is fine for entertainment, but writing about dark sexual power dynamics is “sick”? That’s a double standard, and it’s hypocritical.

If something triggers you, that’s valid. But that’s on you to avoid, not on everyone else to censor themselves. You’re not the morality police.

Fiction isn’t reality. No one is being hurt. And if it’s not for you, cool, don’t read it. But don’t pretend your personal discomfort gives you the right to dictate what others are allowed to create or enjoy. You don’t get to decide that.

The fact that you’re conflating BDSM and non-con to actual rape is crazy because there is a clear difference. In the first two when the sub or the person the act is being done to says stop everybody stops. That does not happen in rape.

I feel like you are purposely misconstruing with the other person is saying. They are saying that the rape as a backstory trope is stupid unless it performs an actual objective other than just being used for shock value, and a fetish. Turning it from just a shock to a meaningful backstory that carries emotional weight resulting in the emotional fulfillment as well as a message hope to victims is better than not.

Saying that if rape is bad, then all violence is bad is not a hot take. It’s not even a cold take because those games go out of their way to often explain that violence is bad. Most superhero comic stories, fucking grand theft, auto that almost always has the criminals in question being fucking miserable, like not everything needs a Aesop fable type of moral but all art is political. All art has a message and if your message is, it’s ok to rape your partner multiple times because you guys are in love then why the fuck did you make that first of all and second of all we should be able to call into question your beliefs because what the fuck?

I genuinely don’t believe that you care about anybody else but yourself because people with the stocking point are often selfish because like what do you mean you don’t care about anything other than this like no racism, no corrective rape, no extremely harmful misogynist behavior like what do you mean? What are you talking about?

Fiction isn’t reality however fiction affects reality that’s why people were scared of sharks because of jaws that’s why people think. Rabbits love carrots because of bugs bunny. People are able to like what they like and when it’s not hurting anyone, I’m all for it however, it won’t kill you to take a more critical eye to the media you consume.

Dear sister/brother,
The only thing you made me understand is that some medias aren't for you. Go on your way, don't hurt yourself like that. You can't change people, let alone understand their fantasies.
Best regards.

I never said BDSM is rape, I know it’s consensual. My point is that BDSM literally mirrors rape fantasies, just in a consensual setting. That’s the entire appeal for a lot of people: the simulation of non-consent. Bondage, blindfolds, “forced” scenarios, even stuff like roleplaying with chloroform, are all ways people explore the idea of powerlessness and violation in a safe, agreed-upon way. It’s a kink, and yeah, it reflects rape fantasy. That doesn’t mean it is rape, it means that people engage with those ideas in a way that’s controlled. If that makes you uncomfortable, fine, but don’t twist it into a bad-faith argument where I’m “confusing rape and BDSM” when I clearly never said that.

Second, you’re acting like anyone who defends darker fiction automatically supports the real-life version of that behavior. That’s a dangerous and dishonest leap. Just because someone reads or writes rape fantasy doesn’t mean they want rape to happen in real life, most of the time, it’s the opposite. The fantasy is a way to explore taboo, trauma, or control without anyone actually getting hurt.

You say fiction affects reality, I agree. But that goes both ways. Fiction can be a safe outlet for people to process real experiences or emotions. Saying “you shouldn’t write this” or “this trope is harmful no matter what” is just censorship hiding behind morality. You're telling other people what they're allowed to explore in their own private media, based on how you feel. That’s not protection, that’s control.

Let’s not pretend GTA or most popular hip hop is some deep anti-violence message. GTA is literally about shooting people, stealing cars, and causing chaos, and it’s fun as hell. We don’t demand that game devs add moral disclaimers. Same with rappers who talk about murder, gang violence, drugs, are you calling those immoral too, or do you just reserve outrage for sex-related stuff? Pick a lane.

At the end of the day, rape fantasy is still fantasy. If someone reads it because they relate to the character being violated, that’s valid. It’s their way of feeling something safely. No real person is being hurt, no one is being raped, and you don’t get to dictate someone else’s inner world.

You can criticize writing all you want, go ahead, but calling it dangerous or immoral just because it deals with rape fantasy or dark kinks isn’t critique. It’s lazy moral panic. The same energy boomers had when they thought Doom or Eminem were turning kids into criminals.

If you can handle fiction about murder, torture, war, or genocide without flipping out, but draw the line at consensually created rape fantasy, then maybe the issue isn’t the fiction. Maybe it’s just your discomfort with the fact that people experience sexuality and trauma in ways you don’t understand.

And frankly? That’s your problem, not theirs.

What an interesting topic. Not saying you're wrong or anything, but I was taken aback a bit by the boldness!

You are right, some people's fantasy are more insane than others (I came across one where a character is being...absorbs into the MC's body...during intercourse(⊙…⊙ )...it's obviously not for me but there's an audience for it).

I do believe it's all projection and the demographic reading this.

I like running into you. There's always a good comment or reply coming from you.

This is why I come back to these Topics under Jinx.
There are intelligent people behind screens who understand the difference as clear as day and do not conflate the two sides together.

We've all read and writen something considered "immoal" not because we want it to happen in real life, but because it our curiosity and like you said; a kink. But that doesn't mean we'll act it out.

Those who commit crimes are usually weak-minded individuals who blurred the line between fantasy and reality, thus leads to unfortunate events.

Exactly!

Girl, there are a thousand good stories out there, what the helly are you even doing here? It's fiction, if you're not mature enough to separate things, you shouldn't be consuming any type of fictional work and cut the crap looking for empathy with your trauma dump, it's just as annoying as your whole presence here in the comments.