It is always curious to me how yaoi smut with these themes (blackmail, rape and so on) get...

why're u making a competition of it bro rape and non-con is bad nonetheless whether it's yuri or yaoi it's disgusting

So true

woah, that's a whole new sentence. you're devolving the argument into morality when they're talking about compliance.

regardless, yuri is allowed to be toxic too. it's misogynistic to hold it to a higher standard that isn't usually upheld within yaoi spaces.

I didn't say toxic yuri is bad omfg I said rape and non con. op made is seem like they wanted to see more of that genre which is so wrong and automatically makes it an argument abt morals. I love toxic yuri and would love to see more of it but I think the rape genre whether it's yuri or yaoi needs to go especially because everything nowadays seems to include it randomly which is to say we are normalizing it way too much. toxic yuri? amazing, but rape in general NO

To add on to this, non con and rape is generally waaaay more normalized in bls for whatever reason. It’s actually pretty awful. It’s become more frowned upon, but not enough lol. I didn’t even know what consent meant until I was 14 because BLS sure as hell didn’t know either LMAOOO

OP is talking about double standards & misogyny. her examples are her explaining how yaoi can dive into these themes—despite a certain level of pushback—knowing there’s an audience who is open to reading these stories. yuri isn’t afforded this same luxury. whether it’s dark or soft, people shit on it altogether.

you literally prove OP’s point. even with the persistence of these themes, BL is given grace while yuri isn’t. its normalization doesn’t circumvent the misogyny being displayed within the comment section.

going through both of your already read lists just hammers in the point for OP. even though BL normalizes these negative themes, you guys are still willing to give those books a chance by reading, rating, & commenting on them. yuri doesn’t get that same exposure.

saying u went thru our read lists but still saying we give those type of genres a chance what a joke

yes but that's not what I was commenting on at all, I know people are more misogynistic towards yuri and I know people treat them differently but that still does not justify wanting more rape genre stories which op clearly stated in the bracket. I'm not disagreeing with the main point in fact I agree that there is a clear favoritism stemming from misogyny what I'm saying is we don't need more rape, period. my point has nothing to do with the other part of the post pls get it

you do, but ok. it’s quite asinine to say you don’t, whether it’s intentional or not. the same can’t be said for yuri. people still read yaoi, even when they know non-con is rampant within the space. do you think yuri gets that same treatment? people will swear it off if they feel like it doesn’t live up to their high standards.

there’s no justification being made here. i can see why you say that, but OP is talking about double standards.

i get what you’re saying, but again, that’s a different talking point. you’re honing in on one tidbit instead of the overarching theme.

okay but it was never my intention to address the main point of op and I made that clear. and the last bit of the post clearly states op's intention bro. the reason I didn't address the main point is bc ik it's true and don't disagree with that but rather the "tidbit" which I'm allowed to express

op wants yuri and yaoi to be treated fairly which I fully agree with but they just had to add rape to the list which I don't agree with, clearly stating that gender doesn't matter in this discussion. I don't get why it's so hard to understand

yeah, but that’s why i’m saying… you’re arguing a minor point that they’re not even advocating for.

i understand what you’re saying, but in the grand scheme of things, it’s truly irrelevant & not a point of contention here.

recall what you said: “why're u making a competition of it bro rape and non-con is bad nonetheless whether it's yuri or yaoi it's disgusting”

this is irrelevant. if you want to discuss non-con/rape within manhwas, that’s a different discussion.

it's not because it has been mentioned

Hi, fun fact, most BLS don’t have big bold letters titled “RAAAAPEEEE”! Hope this helps! At what point did I state I avoid rape or non con in yaoi or Yuri where? Please quote it. I’m saying I’m TIRED of it. It’s like omega verse or love triangles. I see people complain about it and still read it lol. I understand OPs point but I’ve got my own points. Trying to read BL while avoiding non con is literally impossible. I’ll stomach it, heck, some stories I really like have it, but I don’t want it to be NORMALIZED. I’m telling the BL, Yuri and straight community to be better so we can teach young impressionable minds better and what consent really is. I’m glad I wasn’t so chronically online that I actually used the “lesson” I’d read in stories in real life. Tone done the attitude lol, I wasn’t even that harsh?

Do you even know what that unhinged person is talking about? I think they just wanted to pick a fight. The argument goes into one ear, pass the empty skull, and out the other… yikes.

I mean they make ok points but they're literally misunderstanding our points and trying to play hero smfh

i’m not reading all of that bc like i said, it’s irrelevant. you’re diverting from the topic at hand: double standards & misogyny. if you want to discuss non-con in BL, then do that elsewhere.

yes, that’s literally why you’re flaming OP lol. if you already agree with her stance, why divert the conversation into rape/non-con? it was never about that & you know it. the way you’re acting obtuse is misogynistic within itself imo.