Is grape necessary in BL stories?

Also the the classic ‘illegal site’ deflection, because apparently, reading a pirated copy magically erases your right to critique bad writing.
Newsflash: Whether you pay for BL or read it free, romanticized grape is still a tired, harmful trope. If the only counterargument is ‘b-but piracy!!!’ then maybe the real issue isn’t morality… it’s the lack of a real defense for lazy storytelling.

Stay mad, I guess

Lmao someone also wants attention. I already gave it to you. Do you need more?

Let’s recap:
- You tried to silence critics with the ‘illegal site’ nonsense (then dropped it when called out)
- You called people hypocrites for engaging with content they dislike (while doing the exact same thing)

Ding ding ding

You call people hypocrites for complaining about stories they read… but you’re complaining about comments you read. That makes YOU the hypocrite.

It’s like someone yelling "Stop yelling!" they’re guilty of their own rule.

Notice how you keep dodging the ‘illegal site’ point? That’s because you know it’s a bad argument. If reading pirated BL truly made criticism invalid, then:
- Your own comments would be meaningless too (since you’re here on the same site).
- No one could critique anything unless they paid for it (which even you don’t actually believe).

You dropped that talking point because you realized it backfires on YOU. The truth?**
- Piracy ≠ moral high ground, but it also doesn’t silence valid critiques.
- The real issue isn’t HOW people read, it’s WHY rape tropes keep getting criticized (because they’re often written poorly).

Your first/Og comment is
"Idk why y’all complaining, acting like it’s new. Like you’re here reading Yaoi on an “illegal” website..tryna preach about morals? Quite hypocritical if you ask me. Neways if you hate it just take it up with the author/artist. If not just leave. no need to bring up discussions that obviously only caters to your tastes. Let people read what they want to read smh ╮(￣_￣)╭"

Your entire argument collapses under basic scrutiny:

1 ‘You read illegally, so shut up’
→ Then why are you commenting here too? By your logic, your opinion is just as ‘invalid.’
→ Piracy doesn’t magically erase critiques—it’s a cheap deflection, not a real argument.

2 Take it up with the author or leave’
→ You could’ve ‘left’ this discussion instead of replying, yet here you are. Rules for thee but not for others?

3 ‘Discussions should cater to everyone’s tastes’
→ Then why attack people for having different tastes or critiques? You’re literally demanding silence to ‘let people read’… while silencing others.

The hypocrisy is staggering.
- You want no criticism of tropes you like, but free rein to criticize critics.
- You cry 'moral preaching’ but moralize about how others should engage.
- You use the same ‘illegal’ site while acting superior to those who do.

Truth is: Discussions about tropes aren’t about ‘tastes’—they’re about holding stories to higher standards. If that threatens you, maybe ask yourself why?

So in short, you're a hypocrite.

Now I need more of your attention, what do you think?

I love this comment so much!
It's crazy because the ones who engage in these kind of stories are usually the ones who would insult and feel superior than those who criticize or voices their dislike of such topics.

Right?? The mental hoops they jump through to defend this shit is wild. Like, we’re just ‘maybe don’t romanticize grape?’ and suddenly we’re the problem? The fragility is unreal.

Appreciate you being sane in this mess though! Some of us actually care about the genre improving instead of making excuses for garbage tropes.

Yeah, just let us dislike something in peace lmao, it's not like we're attacking authors or artists.

To be honest, I'll deal with some "questionable" plots (and you can see that on my profile), but it's usually the ones that are so unserious and have not nuance. I just turn off my brain and just read the last chapter to see how it ended lmao

But I always have a limit, and that's when authors use the tropes for shocking value and/or to try and "deepen" their mid story. I also heavily disliked when the scenes are too graphic (that's one of the reasons I don't like Harass"s works) .

I haven't read much BL manhwas lately because of this.

THIS.

It’s about wanting better storytelling. Like you said, some tropes are so overdone/exploitative that they just feel lazy or shock-value edgy. And when it’s graphic for no reason? Hard pass.

I’ll still read dark BL if it’s handled with care (actual consequences, character depth, etc.), but so many just use grape as a cheap shortcut to ‘angst’ or ‘romance.’ No thanks.

Glad I’m not the only one taking breaks from BL manhwas over this. Maybe if enough readers push back, authors will finally move past these tired tropes.

And Same lol, sometimes I just head empty and roll with it. But when it's just shock value or lazy writing? Nah, I'm out. (≧∀≦)

Yeah!
I hope they better their stories.

For me to turn my brain off the story should be short because I can handle it, like one hour or less of mediocrity it's fine. That's why I usually prefer mangas. I follow a lot of manhwas, but I tend to drops them once it's establish that they're not my cup of tea.

Now, when it's a long one I just can't deal with it. That's why I disliked Missing Love, gorgeous art for a mid story.

I think Solo for two does a much better job at handling heavy, complex and toxic topics. Into the rose garden is another dark one I liked, although I read the novel and it was we'll written, so I really enjoyed it!