come on bro

He misses these curves of mine

The reply lmao

Why yall like him

same question

Watch them say “cause he’s fine” or smt like he didn’t bring Ian the worst years of his life

its very common for people to like toxic characters ??

yea that wasn’t my question

HAHAHHAHAHA BYEEEEE

I love when a character exudes lethality and turns out to be much more layered than they first appeared to be. When they’re not just black or white, but when they have many shades of grey. Sometimes, those shades of grey aren’t my cup of tea, but his are. And if Ian was hopeless in his presence, I might have disliked him because I hate imbalance in a relationship. I also love when a character like TJ, who seems to have been selfish in love for most of their relationship, then expresses growth in making a decision aimed at putting their loved one first (him walking out on Ian). His car accident was like a divine intervention. His character became likable to me in that moment. And eventually, I just loved him.

“I like him because he’s more interesting” yes? I don’t think he loved Ian, maybe now he does since Ian’s ran away. Imo Ian was kinda booty call that he wanted to keep in check and make keep as some sort of dependent. I’ve had this conversation before and im pretty sure ppl have said the same things as me but he’s purposely done things to fuck w Ian like putting him in jail just made me not like him at all. I just feel like yall downplay his weird behavior and try to make it seem like something it’s not. He’s manipulated Ian and did some diabolical things, and well yea he’s an interesting character but for all the wrong reasons lol. But I hope he grows as much as u do. This recent chapter just adds on to the stuff he’s done. A DL guy with a girlfriend sleeping with his best friend cmon bro, that’s a stray for Ian too ykwim.

Okay, this is a different conversation.
My thing is, I don’t believe love to be this one thing that we all use and describe and feel in the same manner. It’s not because someone is a lot more selfish with their love that it’s not love. Ian for example, loves being obsessed over. Because he recognized those emotions in TJ, he yearned to be next to it. The same thing happened with Jo. His yearning for Jo happened when he thought to himself “he looks at me the way TJ does” (I’m paraphrasing, but this was shortly after TJ disappeared. Others might not enjoy being loved that way, but it doesn’t invalidate the fact that it’s love. So what you said to me feels like those situations where someone tells one person “I love you” and the person responds “no you don’t.” It always irritates me when a person (real or fictional) responds that way. It’s both presumptuous and insulting.

I choose to base my analysis on what TJ himself does and says. He loved Ian, but his love was selfish because he cared more about having Ian next to him rather than wanting Ian to be truly happy, even if it was without him. In a relationship like theirs, where they have been orphaned since their teens and have learned to trust only each other as a matter of survival, the codependency they developed was only natural. That doesn’t erase the love, it complicates it. TJ genuinely didn’t believe he couldn’t succeed in life unless Ian was at his side. Ian somehow also believed this and it made him feel happy to know TJ needed him to that extent. That’s why his decision to leave went against everything TJ believed he could handle. That’s why instead of letting Ian get away with murder either by covering it up better or making someone else take the fall, he needed Ian tied to him through protection money in jail. See people stay focused on that part of that dynamic. The way TJ roped him that way. For me, this is when Ian becomes intriguing. Ian, whether you like it or not, also cannot let go of TJ. That’s why after his injury, instead of going back to dirt biking, he didn’t, even though he’d been told he could. We learn in this chapter that it wasn’t even some dream or great passion he had; it was Jason pushing him toward it because he wanted to separate Ian and TJ in order to mold TJ into the gangster image he had in his head. And even as far as the girlfriend stuff went, it happened after Jason pushed TJ to date women and encouraged marriage. Not only because it was a big deal within the gang, but because he wanted to separate both men.

When TJ realized that Ian knew all along, that TJ didn’t help him get out of jail like he was supposed to, and pretended not to, I was as shocked as he was. I also loved the twists in Ian even more in that moment. I knew then that someone like him, couldn’t be manipulated. He just gave the perception that he could be. Or maybe it’s only because he understands TJ at his core that TJ cannot manipulate him. Either way, Ian has such a big presence in the core of their relationship that to me it feels like a lot of people either downplay his part in everything, or talk about him like he has no agency. They made choices that led them to this point. It wasn’t just one person steering the wheel of their relationship.

Sorry I didn’t mean to write that much

I read it but not rlly into detail cause it’s a lot. “ He loved Ian, but his love was selfish because he cared more about having Ian next to him rather than wanting Ian to be truly happy, even if it was without him.” I don’t think that’s love, that’s possession I think your definition of love and mine are different. Also im pretty sure it was a flashback, not after Jason started pushing for tj to get with girls. I feel that arguement of how being gay is a big deal within the gang and tj had switch between girls cause he couldn’t help it is flawed, tj’s publicly displayed his and Ian’s sexuality before, it even lead to yang talking mad shit behind lan’s back when tj called lan for a booty call that one time. Also it doesn’t excuse that he’s a cheater girl and nothing excuses what hes done :(. “I knew then that someone like him, couldn’t be manipulated. He just gave the perception that he could be.“ that’s bsull shit

It’s ok. And let me add on the last part, “I knew then that someone like him, couldn’t be manipulated. He just gave the perception that he could be.“ Are you Ian? lol I hope it shows the emoji cause girl u crack me up

What I’m trying to say is love isn’t this one thing that can be define in a single way. I feel people can either grow in love or dive deeper into their way of love. Being selfish is a trait we all have, but TJ’s love for Ian was finally perfectly aligned when he learned to put Ian’s safety above his need to be with him. By letting him go, thinking he’d never get to be with him, TJ’s love grew into a better form of love, rather than a selfish one. And yes it was a flashback, but the one thing I hate about this manwha is how disjointed the flashbacks are so you can’t see the story in a linear fashion, but Jason also once pushed TJ with girls and to think of building a family within flashbacks, not just in the current timeline. It’s more of a repetition of past conversations now portrayed into reality. And when you say he publicly displayed his and Ian’s sexuality before, I can’t say it’s ringing any bell for me. Because something that’s been shown is how tight they were to the point of that being something people could exploit, but the sexual aspect of it was only clear on the fact that Ian was known to be with men, but it remained an unspoken topic where TJ was concerned. He came off as overprotective rather than jealous, which we know he was. Also, how is he a cheater? Are you talking about the fact that he was seeing different girls and also sleeping with Ian? And how is Ian being aware of everything TJ was doing behind the scenes and not doing anything about it, not him showing he wasn’t manipulated into it, but led TJ to believe that he was, instead ? It’s the very reason why they had their big fight halfway through season 1 and didn’t speak until TJ’s accident. Not only that, it’s the one thing that finally made me love Ian as a character since I wasn’t attached to any of the three up to that point.

Holy yap. “ Also, how is he a cheater? Are you talking about the fact that he was seeing different girls and also sleeping with Ian? ” yes, what else would I be talking about? And his “selfish love” (possessiveness) doesn’t excuse the bullshit he did STILL , what are you tryna prove here. I’m in no way saying he’s a bad written character or that you shouldn’t like him as a character, im saying what he did was wrong yk. Awareness does not mean immunity. Let’s shorten our responses

Okay, I think we should align on what conversation we’re trying to have because that’s what leads me into these long ass paragraphs. Why do I like TJ? I explained it with my first reply. You then brought up that you don’t believe he loves Ian. I do. So now we’re delving into what? What’s love? Are we trying to be philosophical and define it or…? Because to me it seems you’re saying he doesn’t love Ian the right way so it isn’t love. Am I getting that right? And yes, TJ did plenty wrong. I’m saying their relationship isn’t the way it is solely because TJ held on to Ian. I’m saying Ian has as much agency as TJ does. Other than that, I’m no longer sure what we’re discussing and why cheating became a topic. Was that because you wanted to bring up why you dislike him?

This is a much smoother reply. Yes, I at first my reply was meant for the person yk I was replying under but I like the views u have! And the cheating comment was just a little slip in to judge his behavior

Lmao alright then! Always nice to have a civilized back and forth.

I've always been into characters like him. Yes he's toxic and all but somehow he's the only character I fell inlove with immediately even thought he acts like MANY other characters.. idk its kinda weird to say "i can fix him" but that's how i feel? Lmao why am I describing it as if he's real but idk if u get what I mean though that's js my point of view. Its not js the looks and obviously from my name there's another reason why I LOOOOOVVVEEEE him. But something about him brings me comfort