Do you know what justify means?
NOTHING justifies abusive behaviour. His past is reason, not a justification. We empathise and sympathise with him, but that doesn't mean we enable him projecting the same abuse onto others
This right here. Bc ppl here would blindly hate jaekyung no matter what happens in the story bc of how he treated Kim Dan and you what, fair enough but atp they need to keep their comments to themselves or stop reading cuz why are still reading something when you hate one of the main characters
All that yap with no substance
"How can you give mercy to female victims of abuse or worse, but not to men of abuse or worse? You think they're supposed to be tough? Are you fucking sexist?" So... Literally nobody said anything about sex? You're the one replying to nonexistent arguments. Obviously, no one in their right mind would find abuse justifiable no matter the sex. Are you just summoning nonsense out of your ass?
"NO. WHY DO EXPECT HIM TO BE PERFECT" no one does. We're pointing out that despite his sad past, there his continued cycle of abuse only brings harm to more people. I think you're the one who needs a reality check to believe that victims of abuse who later become abusers themselves should just be excused. What about THEIR victims? Do they not matter?
"Be the little apathetic little bitch you are who can't understand how the world works aside from your own small, predictable world view" this is pretty rich coming from you. Is the insane level of delusion and glazing clouding your judgement, or do you really believe past victims of abuse have the right to continue to perpetrate that same abuse onto others in the future? Does their past make it okay? Again, I empathise with him and understand his behaviour was caused by his past, but how does this give him the right to do the same to others? I pray for the safety of your present/future significant other. Otherwise, I pray for YOUR safety if you ever experience something like this.
Justify — show or prove to be right or REASONABLE (Google)
— to show to have had a sufficient legal reason (Merriam-Webster)
— to show a satisfactory reason or excuse for something done (Dictionary . C0m)
— to give or to be a good reason for (cambridge)
Keyword; OR in the google definition. It is not RIGHT for him to act this way, but he does have REASONABLE reasons why he does this, therefore it is JUSTIFIED as to why he acts this way. It does not make it ACCEPTABLE (NOT a synonym for the word justified) nor GOOD (not a synonym for justified).
It is JUSTIFIED because he went through years of abuse and has only known violence. Therefore, he knows know other way and that makes it REASONABLE, but NOT GOOD or ACCEPTABLE.
Perhaps you should read up on some dictionaries.
Also, did you know: you CAN post your thoughts in one comment.
1. No, I'm not. I've read plenty of other toons where they give grace to dumbass heroines or people work trauma in ther background. One of the main examples is Death is the only Ending for the Villainess. Her abuse and neglect in life is the reason she is so wary and distant. People praise her for distancing herself from everyone. But it doesn't always work for her and causes her sorrow. Damn, sorry I didn't know I wasn't allow to allude to other scenarios!!! Sorry for bringing up anecdote evidence! I didn't know you were my Language Arts Teacher!!!
2.i did not use the word "excused" in my reply. Check yourself and reread what justified means. FYI, legally. Justify does not mean guilty or not guilty of an offense. It just means to judge for reasonable things (but not right things in this case). So, if you reason the latter part about recovery, because I feel like this is in MC's nature, you'd know it's not excusable. It's just justified for why he acts this way. The MC has a right to do whatever he wants. He did. And no where did I say he or any other victim couldn't just abandon him. It's the consequences of Jae actions. I believe I wrote that in the post. Maybe you glossed over it like you did the definition of justify?
3. Once again, never said it was OKAY. but I'm saying, have a little bit of forgiveness in your heart. We now know where he's coming from. It does not make his past actions right, but it is reasonable why he does it. omg another allusion!!!: racism. I'm half black but I don't blame the people who tell me I had ebola in HS. They get it from their parents. They can choose whether to fix their world view from me not reacting to their bullshit and/or showing not all people with an ounce of black blood are sick. The racism doesn't just disappear. It has to be corrected, but it is reasonable from where it came from.
Nowhere did I say it gave him the right. If you read the last paragraph of that post instead of glossing, i talked about therapy and healing.
God bless your selecting reading eyes and nonsensical assumptions on the synonyms of justify
Bro... I got you. You're some kind of saint who can forgive or rationalize abusers... Congrats! But unlike you, I have no forgiveness for angel abusers. I'll always hate them, whether they're hot, handsome, rich, or were victims of abuse onde day and survivors. It won't depend on the author being "successful" in "redempting the character." I'll always feel sorry for the partner who stayed with them.
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And no, I won't stop reading cos I'm here to hate them, criticize them, analyze their mediocre lives, root for the angel partner, and cheer for the chase arc where they get screwed. It makes me feel good. I feel light and happy.
Tell me where I said you shouldn't feel sorry for the MC.
Tell me where I told you to stop reading?
You can still not forgive him, but honestly, it won't make me change my view that you're an apathetic loser.
The post was calling out people for not forgiving or saying he has no excuse (he does—it's abuse at a young impressionable age) for the way he acts. Forgive does not mean forgetting or letting yourself be hurt. All JK's ever known was violence, and it's a learned behavior. It's something he can fix with help, recovery, and therapy.
So therefore, of course I can rationalize where an abuser comes from. I got beat as a kid, too. Do you know why I dont resent my mom? Because she learned it from her mother and I taught her how to not be a violent mf. It doesn't mean I agree with their/her methods of love or affection. Try reading the counters. Reread with the established definitions of "justified" which does NOT mean acceptable or good.
I could stay and keep you company in a healthy debate bro, but you preferred to resort to personal insults, calling me an "apathetic loser." Just because my opinion is not to forgive angel abusers so I take back my initial compliment where I defined you as a saint who rationalizes and forgives.
I mean, you already assumed a bunch of crap from my post, so I mean. You threw the healthy debate out the window when you did that and started being sarcastic with me in the beginning of the post. You already knew my disposition, yet now you're crying because i called you a wittle word.
I already stated people who can't forgive are "apathetic little bitches" so I don't know where the compliment came from anyways.
(●￣(ｴ)￣●) do whatever you want. You don't need my approval to be an apathetic, non-empathetic little unforgiving bitch (nor do the rest of the people who fit the category). It's too bad I'll always see someone who has this view on JJK but what can you do when you're an apathetic lil--
If we want to focus on the "reasonable" part? His behaviour is a "reasonable" trauma response, not a "reasonable" way to treat someone completely unrelated the same way. So no, I'm not convinced that it's "justified". Carrying out capital punishment on a serial killer is "justified". Throwing a punch in retaliation to being punched first is "justified". Projecting the abuse you experienced onto someone else is not.
bbg u can't be more right. idk why its just not clocking into others brains
After reading the entire thing, I see your point. Thank you for your input; I apologise for the misunderstandings on my part. However, the way you went about it in your first comment made little sense to people who didn't know about the "allusions" you were talking about. The sexist part was especially uncalled for since most people calling out his behaviour don't believe abuse is justified regardless of gender
Ok don't. Be the little apathetic little bitch you are who can't understand how the world works aside from your own small, predictable world view. Bet you never once worked in retail to see how people act nor ever seen someone with a worse situation than your own (or maybe you're a mf who thinks your situation is the worst. Bro, get over it, if you ain't a starving child or someone in the middle of war, get over your goddamn self when you're judging others for how they act).
This DOES justifiy his behavior. Someone who doesn't have anything wrong in life will only know good things. Someone who only knows abuse will only know abuse. And child development in the first like, 5-7 years are crucial for personality development. Guess what he knew? Abuse. How can you give mercy to female victims of abuse or worse, but not to men of abuse or worse? You think they're supposed to be tough? Are you fucking sexist? Maybe it's YOU who needs a character change lmao.
He met his trainer when he was six, and even then he barely trusted him. The kids the trainer introduced him to bullied him on his first day lol. The environment he was in still was in a world of violence. And then, violence will now get him money. His mother distances herself, so she has no "feminine" or motherly love to show much emotion/empathy. His father is an abusive asshole who exude actual toxicity and he might associate that with "masculinity" (his father beats him, his trainer allows him to be beat for money).
So HELL YEAH, I can understand why he did the things he did. He has trust issues, he wanted an escape from the pain, he wanted to prove to his father something, he wanted money to find his mom, etc. Of COURSE I'm gonna feel bad, and I bet the MC will, too, but because he now has a slight bit of backbone, he's probably gonna help the ML recover.
HEAR THAT? RECOVER. Abuse doesn't just magically go away. You need THERAPY and someone to help you. Did jaekyung have that? NO. WHY DO EXPECT HIM TO BE PERFECT??? MFs who are saying the title that I wrote, yall need to check yourselves. This isn't some fucking fantasy land bullshit where consequences of other people's actions DONT RICCOCHET.