I think every new reader should be made to read this comment <3 everyone is just in denial about supporting fictional male torture
definitely rlly bad “revenge” but i can see why people are sympathizing with juyeon. it’s an insane level of depravity to gangr*pe and film a minor, then spread the cp. using the excuse that jiwook doesn’t remember is weak though. just because he doesn’t remember doesn’t mean he didn’t do it. anyway i think juyeon’s revenge is excessive and that this is where it SHOULD end since he’s done to jiwook exactly what was done to him now. i know it doesn’t end here, though, so that’s woonderful.
im saying neither should be sympathized with.., and if we want to apply real life morals and logic, this doesn’t count as revenge because you cant use “rape” as revenge. it’s just not a thing (rape doesn’t happen as a means to hurt someone, it’s deeper and more disgusting than that, which is why it’s on a whole other level than other crimes you can commit). so juyeon raping jiwook, after jiwook raped him, doesn’t make things “fair”. it’s especially stupid because jiwook has no recollection of sexually abusing juyeon, so there’s no “lessons to be learned”, juyeon won’t get to see the “satisfaction” of seeing jiwook regret his past actions, reflect, beg for forgiveness or whatever. although i think juyeon doesn’t know he’s forgotten everything.
honestly i don’t really get how people can sympathize with juyeon, sure i can understand people who side with him, but people who genuinely think his actions are somewhat morally justified? people really think this is an “eye for an eye”? i think this idea comes from the lack of understanding of how rape and rapist work, which is understandable i guess? (if youre not interested in psychology and/or true crime) but unfortunate. juyeon IS a bad and evil person for being able to commit rape, yes he is traumatized, but he is no better than jiwook. whether people think what jiwook is going through is justified or not, people who genuinely think jiwook is worse than juyeon, or juyeon isn’t that bad because “it’s revenge”, seem a little insane to me. well, im talking about the ones that want to apply real life morals to this piece of fiction, because then doesn’t that reflect that you think rape is justifiable IRL? bit scary to me Σ(っ°Д °;)っ
well i never said anything about his actions being morally justified i said i can see why others are sympathetic of juyeon. i put revenge in quotations for a reason. most can agree that they’re both evil people and that neither is “better” than the other, that isn’t what this is about. juyeon has a very warped view of what revenge even means. the entire story is just one big r*pe fantasy.
juyeon is a morally grey character who believes everything he’s doing is justified and jiwook idk he’s literal rage bait. i’m saying that the excuse that he doesn’t remember is weak because in reality that would not matter to a person completely blinded with anger over what has happened to him before. it’s not about seeing him regret, it’s about inflicting the most pain possible. whether or not not he remembers is irrelevant when juyeon’s entire motivations are sadistic.
you have many great points and i agree with basically everything you’re saying so this conversation rlly isn’t worth either of our efforts
i wasnt rlly arguing or taking your reply as disagreeing w me on this i just wanted to bounce off your reply to expend on my thoughts lol oops(￣∇￣")
Finally a reasonable comment
1000% agree
"he deserves it because in the past he—" "still this is unjustifiable—" WHO GAFFFF just read the story omg. im not saying you cant have an opinion or takes sides and have a discussion about it because obviously this is what comment sections are for – for exemple i personally think no matter what jiwook did to juyeon in the past, this is STILL wrong! especially since jiwook doesnt even remember anything! rape isn’t a “payback” or whatever, i can acknowledge this and also the fact that after all this is fiction and some of y’all dont seem like you actually care about this discourse, but just find it an excuse to keep reading it without feeling guilty? "oh im reading this rape filled yaoi BUT im reading it for the revenge part because jiwook deserved it!" BFFR. pleaseeee.