I can’t believe a person with a life can write all of that
genuinely over pornhwa characters too
I 100% think you’re correct so don’t pay attention to these brain dead bitches in the replies. Their responses get real illiterate when they don’t have a reasonable argument, I think your analysis on the topic is a real interesting view of things
Grandma, chill
I'll say it again
If you think that was an essay, then wow, I didn't know a middle school research paper length was too much for y'all attention spans.
Some people just like to write. I am one of those people when I'm bored. Welcome to the world, where there are many diverse people.
I'm just bored, lmao. If you don't want to read it, cool, nobody is forcing you to
╮(￣▽￣)╭ no can do. "Grandma" is reliving her silent generation days. you know how that went.
Thanks bro. I appreciate it. I genuinely want to understand why people think he isn't redeemable or can't be forgiven, can't fix himself, etc. These are people who've never gone outside to see how the world really works outside of their idealistic views. If they spent ANY time with anyone who has trauma, chances are it's because of something from their past. So when I ask this question or make points, they just call me weird.
...i just say, "OK? And? Grow up. Welcome to society." Can't say I'm innocent in the name calling game, but it's not so personal and "out of the blue" as their insults. And then they see I could care less and would like to continue the discussion, they block me (〜￣△￣)〜 well, you can't give the truth to someone who doesn't want to hear it.
Anyways, I engage because I'm bored, i want to know why they think xyz, and I like to write. I also like proving people wrong. But thank you for seeing my view point.
I agree with most of your points. But imo understanding why an abused victim become the culprit is always ok. But using past trauma to justify current actions is never okay. Else the world will probably crawling with people abusing each other all the time. The keyword is „justify“. The word itself gives people a free card of „i can be as shitty as i want because i was raised this way“. It‘s true that most criminals have past trauma, but their actions should never be justified.
I pity them mostly.. like how jjk is here.. i mean at the end of the day its a work of fiction and im here to enjoy hella good art and boys fucking each other(〜￣△￣)〜. In some occasions i do find the author to be leaning on sobby past too much and its a trope thats so overused atp.. but yk some ppl being so invested and emotional is kinda weird ngl lol
I will just repost what I wrote in another comment.
Justify — show or prove to be right or REASONABLE (Google)
— to show to have had a sufficient legal reason (Merriam-Webster)
— to show a satisfactory reason or excuse for something done (Dictionary . C0m)
— to give or to be a good reason for (cambridge)
Keyword; OR in the google definition. It is not RIGHT for him to act this way, but he does have REASONABLE reasons why he does this, therefore it is JUSTIFIED as to why he acts this way. It does not make it ACCEPTABLE (NOT a synonym for the word justified) nor GOOD (not a synonym for justified). Tacking on: it does not make him innocent in the rule of law.
It is JUSTIFIED because he went through years of abuse and has only known violence. Therefore, he knows know other way and that makes it REASONABLE, but NOT GOOD or ACCEPTABLE. Not giving a free card, but this explains how and why he acts.
This would be different if someone is being selfish. They can't really justify their reasoning because all of their defenses are from narcissism which is not reasonable. Justify does not always mean right or good, and you can be justified in how you think things should go for xyz but wrong in society.
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We are having a word war. We at least agree JJK is a sack of shit but that doesn't mean he can't turn his act around.
Also, the world IS crawling with abusers. Verbal abusers like some people on this site, emotional abusers, physical abusers, financial abusers, bullies, sexual abuse, and more. They all think like that. and depending on their background, they might actually have a reason or excuse to do it (aka justified) (they are continuing a cycle of abuse like JJK, like it's a way to show love or show dominance when they haven't been taught any healthier ways). But, this does not absolve them of the heavy consequences headed their way. Actions will always have consequences. Some more severe than others.
I'm ngl if u want to actually have a genuinely nice conversation that talks about/dives into understanding the mentality of the abused becomes abuser you should start a thread/discussion somewhere else, because we all know there are more braindead "MY HaTE is JuStiFiEd bEcAusE HE dId sOmeThiNG To ThIS guY" people here that will not try to even understand one word from you, and not that I'm disregarding what kimdan went through under jk, but let's not make this onesided(?)
This is genuine because I also find jk's mentality interesting and I would rather read two people have actual arguments and not just "FuK you, gO sUck BalLs" while the other is trying to make genuine points.
Goddamn
Bro
brother plenty of people get abused by their parents and don't rape someone about it 20 years later wtf.
also you call this a redemption arc, what the fuck has he done to redeem himself? he's literally actively stalking and harassing Kim Dan in the narrative rn, the only way he can redeem himself is to haul his ass into prison for the, let me remind you CRIMES, that he's commited
also you're saying he needs therapy and I agree.. so why hasn't he gotten any? he's a rich fucking millionaire and he doesn't set aside any of that to heal?
it's so pathetic that you're coddling a rapist millionaire like he's a little baby. he's a criminal that deserves to pay for his crimes. you're not being media literate for feeling empathy for a fictional monster, you're being a simp because you find him hot, go off I guess.
IJBOL
You still haven't provided the chapter where he rapes Kim (hint: he doesnt). It's starting his redemption arc. That's why we have a backstory, because with the way this is going, Kim Dan is going to be the one to bring him to therapy and/or be his relief by getting him help.
Like I said, JJK doesn't see any wrong with this because this is what he was taught. If he has no power, people will leave him. If he doesn't have a tight reign, they will ridicule him or leave. He has never encountered someone who he liked and yet they rejected him, which us why he came over to both figure out why and get him back. Too bad it won't work that way and JJK will learn: both that his methods will not work and that his actions have consequences.
The first thing you need to do to get therapy is to recognize you need it. JJK has not realized that.
Additionally, tell me where I coddled him? I'm literally telling you how to have him healthily recover, and you demean this by making it sound childish? The world does not work like your idealist view.
Try to comprehend what you're reading. I feel like you're not reading it. I clearly said he is in his redemption arc. He was trying to save Kim Dan from drowning, which was the spark, but the fact the illustrators put in his past is another sign.
FYI, I'm not afraid to admit that I am a dilf enjoyer. I actually subscribe because I like this artist' art and shading style. But thanks for acting like you know me. Sorry, you didn't get a preview of my background first like JJK's!
WHY ARE U TELLING ME TO PROVIDE CHAPTERS IF U CANT TELL THATS RAPE IDK WHAT TO TELL YOU BRO LEARN ABOUT CONSENT LMAO PLS FOR THE SAFTEY OF EVERYONE AROUND YOU
You ask
* you ask where u coddled him and u literally say earlier in this message that "JJK doesn't see any wrong with this because this is what he was taught" you're so clearly either young or immature as fuck bc people learn social behaviours as they grow. u can't defend a 28 or whatever year old man for not knowing what's okay, he's fully grown he should know the law, and if he hasn't learned what's okay and what isn't (IE RAPE, A CRIME THAT U DEFEND) then he should face the consequences for that.
Also Kim Dan making Jaekyung realise he needs therapy if that is what happens is horribly disgusting writing, a victim should teach their abuser how not to be a monster? yeah real progressive dude.
Just because he saved him from drowning doesn't mean he suddenly gets free dominion of Kim Dan's body. the whole sleep walking plot line is so shit and just a cheap way to force them to spend time with each other without Jaekyung actively having to stalk Kim Dan (STALKING: ANOTHER CRIME UR DEFENDING HERE)
additional info for u being way too young and stupid to read this bullshit is you thinking Jaekhyung counts as a dilf, Pedro pascal is a dilf, see how he has wrinkles and isn't the facetuned human version of spirit the fucking horse
also you're such a fucking debater bro , other people have literally provided you with chapter examples and you disregard that shit only to hound me about it. get some goddamn media literacy and take evidence and criticism like it isn't a personal attack to you and your rapist fav
I finally found some scientific evidence that ABUSE IS LEARNED and it is hard to UNLEARN IT unless through THERAPY and RECOVERY.
Early Physical Abuse and Adult Outcomes - PMC https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7780955/
Understanding the Impact of Trauma
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207191/
He DOES have an excuse (BUT IT DOES NOT ABSOLVE HIS CONSEQUENCES) for his manners—he was abused and taught violent yields reward through boxing.
His responses are JUSTIFIED (do NOT conflate with "good" or "right") because it is REASONABLE why he does these terrible things—because his family TAUGHT him to hurt others and degrade others.
He did NOT learn how to love or be kind because he had no mother (one that abandoned him and never came back) nor a father that support him. He LEARNED ATO BE KIND to OLDER FOLKS because they showed him generosity, so he does the same. But the kids who bullied himself straight away when he joined the boxing club? The way the manager treated him when he was starving and stealing? GET REAL. Who would expect JJK to have the temperament of Kim Dan when all his entire childhood up to teen years was abuse, bullying, neglect, and death?
Sure, he COULD have chosen to become a different person who was kind. But in his backstory, can you point to someone who was his age who WAS kind and friendly to him? If not, then you must see my point: he didn't KNOW he had the option to get out of the Abuse cycle. It's called a cycle for a reason, and unless an outside force acts (like Kim Dan), then you cannot get out of it.
Without a PAST, what would you be? You guys are acting like, "ohh just because you had a hard life doesn't mean you can't get out of it" Okay, American. Not everyone has the same opportunities or mindset as you. This is like saying "Okay, poor person. All you need to do is get rich, despite all the taxes and networking and cheaters in the job industry. [Okay, abused person. All you need to do is learn how to be nice when the world is proving to you that it won't be nice to you.]"
Also, I hate JJK as much as another. But I understand he had a rough past and now he is in his redemption arc. He needs help, and the fact you people love slapping his hand away, telling him "you need to be better" just shows you're no better than those who abused him. Abuse needs to be unlearned and JJK needs therapy. You can forgive and not forget what he's done, it's called having consequences. He will have HEAVY consequences for his terrible actions. But they came from his past and that makes his actions WITH A REASON.
Say a person from a rich, well off family goes and kills another. They had everything yet they chose to kill someone they didn't like. They had a reason, but this is NOT reasonable (to kill over a disagreement or dislike). JJK's actions are REASONABLE because that's what he was TAUGHT how to live.