little confused on "no bdsm" because I'd say the works you've mentioned here feature sm. each word in the acronym doesn't necessarily all have to be present at the same time. it seems like you want stuff with sadomasochism without a strongly defined D/s or master/slave dynamic, or masochists who aren't exactly submissive.
don't think it's entirely on the mark, but the first things coming to mind are sneaky red by thanat and yoru wa tomodachi by ido gihou, and the side couple from lovesick dog by songhyel
Thanks for the recommendations!!
BTW, I meant no bdsm as in the violence being just a sexually satisfying practice, I want violence in their relationship that goes beyond the I hurt them in the bedroom only and there's never real rage (or anger/hatred, works too), behind it.
I want violence that is not established as just a sexual practice. They are actually violent towards one another, people who fight (at least in the beginning), and fuck and sometimes they do both simultaneously.
Yeah, in both works we have masochists (and a sadist) men, but I'm looking for moments of genuine rage, not just a performance of violence.
Causing pain with toys and slaps is cool and wtv, but I want faces getting punched, noses bleeding, etc, like a fight. Where they go to bed about it.
May be - do you still like me? - they are rough in the beginning lated become normal but still remain kinda rough since they alphas
oh, I think I get what you mean better now... like a tension between the characters that expresses itself physically in the form of violence before turning to the sexual. butting heads till sparks fly and then the burning starts. tricky to find examples of it that I like since it's not often done in a way that's mutual or not just one overpowering/abusing the other. have you read perfect buddy? and if you're okay with a danmei novel, "faraway wanderers" by priest that has a bit of that dynamic.
I'll come back to this if I think of more
Yaoi where the couple are violent with each other but not abusive per se, like Aesthetics of Unpleasantness and Peace of God? NOT bdsm
Like, I know there's some abusive in AoU, but later they remain violent WITHOUT the abuse, it's just their dynamic