Me in a Nutshell:

And if you're asking why I didn't leave already considering the grooming shit on the first few chapters

I Skipped that atrocity, Thank you.

Not the dislike Lmao. Probably a grapist themself or an enabler—bye

What about people who loves mass murderer characters, Or horror fiction do you just assume they're all murderers too? No, right? because this is fiction

there is a huge difference between romanticizing and just watching it.

This isnt tiktok you can say rape... nobody is taking you seriously when you cant even say the word id literally say its more disrespectful to water down the word compared to fiction expression

Tiktok or not, I still wouldn't want to use that disgusting word directly. And Why does it matter anyways? Why we bringing up tiktok shit like it matters?

There is a fine line between just watching for entertainment and romanticizing the real thing. How do I come up with this conclusion? Look around the comment section lol. About your question, of course both are indeed negative but let's just take a look at the degree. Murder in thriller or horror media are just imaginary and more natural because death itself is more of a natural phenomenon (to us humans because we all die) compared to and it's like they are exploring creative things about death (Still depends on what kind of murder fiction is that though. If it's exploitive and suggestive of participation in creating an actual crime then it's as equally bad) On the other hand is NOT AND SHOULD NEVER BE NORMALIZED. The thing about in media is that some or most (including this story) eroticizes the traumatic experiences of real-life victims even though it's just fiction. Idk with y'all but watching or consuming grape media feels like participating in someone's trauma (fiction or not.)

Because its silly watering down a serious word.. when you dont need to...

What's silly is you being bothered with such a non-issue.

clock it.

It is an issue when we start being scared of a word... dont water it down, its rape... like its so disrespectful to call it a fruit or use an emoji when its a serious thing

Not you redirecting all this energy to the concept of a word being censored instead of actually directing such energy to criticize those who romanticize it in this comment section. Any living person with at least one single braincell left in their brains would easily understand what I meant anyways, if you fail to do that then you're obviously trolling—bye.

because yall dont care about real issues and instead care about fiction. calling it grape is genuinely disrespectful and weird especially if u do that shit irl nobody is gonna take u srsly... its so telling when u people think stuff like this is offensive but not calling rape a literal fruit and emoji

Since you @Pee changed your users settings so that I won't be able to reply to you and make yourself appeal like you've won a useless argument you set up yourself, here's my reply to your latest comment

A media containing any elements of SA (Fiction or not) is still a representation of actual trauma that's why I will call it out even if it's just fiction. Btw I am an advocate for women's and children's right. The people I have worked and coversated have no problems with the word being censored—some actually prefers it be censored. Did victims found it offensive when I censored it? No. Did the victims take my sentiments during seminars srsly? Yes.

Hey sorry just wanted to respond to ur thing about horror and thrillers, if you watch a horror movie and comment "the murder was horrible. So grotesque!" Will you be attacked? Now see if you go under pedophilia. And you comment. And say "this is weird." Will you he attacked? Now you see the flaw in your argument? Watching horror doesn't make you a murder, it means you like the thrill, and in some cases it is actually people who want to be murderers. Now what is the justification behind pedophilia stories? Like what is there to enjoy? It doesn't make your heart race or simulate fear, it isn't something you watch or read to create a cozy atmosphere when someone else is around, it's like porn, you consume it solely for the sexual aspect. Now DO YOU SEE the flaw in your argument? You ARE deflecting, if OP didn't care about real life, they wouldn't be calling this out and you wouldn't have turned your replies off knowing they'd clocked your bullshit. Now, Do you see the flaw in your argument? Or are you just defensive cos you feel guilty.

Boohoo... Watering the word rape down to a fucking fruit is doing nothing but fearing away from the conversation about it. Also ask any therapist, many victims end up enjoying content like this and its healthy if they're consuming it correctly. Also i dont know why people of mangago never end the conversation when they are blocked, seems they can never block and leave just like they cant 'dont like, dont read'... funny

I dont feel guilty and i stay with my argument, you people complain about what you WILLINGLY read and when you are blocked you still cannot leave! Its stupid...

This is not a pedophilia manwha and its also fucking disrespectful to say that. Pedophilia and raping kids is the uttermost evil of this world, and you are comparing that to a manwha about consensual stepcest basically LMFAO. Both parties were ADULT and pedophilia is about pre pubescent children, you cannot compare the two at all.

Reading about pedophilia is different for everyone, you see it in horror alot because it IS evil and it does give people a grossed out sense of thrill and people DO say the pedophilia in this movie was horrible and grotesque. But with things like these, i cannot speak for everyone but at least for me it does help me cope with my own trauma with grooming. You cannot critique others on what you do not know about them, and jf you start to criticize me for that i do not care. Many therapists i have spoken too encourages safe and consensual exploration of sexuality through fiction, as long as you are not harming yourself, others, and consuming it safely.

I want to also say that censoring rape on a site with zero censorship pretty much is just feeding into what people or companies WANT to censor. Why not say r*pe or something? Although it is the better option you saying 'grape' to a fictional character god forbid a real person.

Anyways yall need to learn boundaries... 'dont like, dont read' has always been a big rule on taboo fiction across the web, as well as just blocking people that annoy or trigger u im muting this because there is no point arguing with people on either side who will not change their opinion because i feel strongly about this and it wont chabge

You make a great point but that is overshadowed by what you're arguing idgaf if you're muting, I'm talking anyways, I did not read this, I saw the first chapter where he called the guy daddy, acted like a kid and looked like a kid then clicked off. Idk if its just my OCD talking but I cannot consume anything taboo without feeling physically sick, because reading shotacon makes me feel like s pedophile and it makes me uncomfortable to the point I have to fantasize about cutting my groin off for like 3 minutes after to not be upset. Not over dramatic, it's the main reason I dont know ab having kids, tho I want to have them.

Both parties being adults is an obvious cover up because as you said, it's fiction. If I were to draw a new born baby and label it adult, does that make it an adult? If I were to make the new born baby consent to sex in my drawing, would that take away from the underlying problem behind the drawing? Can a speech bubble really hold that much power over ones morals?

I'm not sure how it helps you cope with your trauma, but if it does thats great for you (came out a lot meaner than intended idk how to fix it tho) , unfortunately the majority YES majority. Of people that consume this content are not recommended to do so by therapists due to trauma, they just like kids, and seeing people like you defend it so adamantly in the comments will convince them they're somehow not in the wrong and it isnt shameful. Thats my problem. Pedophilia didn't become illegal till people were shamed for it and neither did child marriage. You are harming other people by defending this without first clarifying that it is professional advice and due to your own trauma.

Again with the censoring, I don't really care as rape is a distasteful word, and I also avoid saying it. It's such a serious issue and carries so much weight that people may feel uncomfortable saying it or even typing it out, which I understand and I can't really fault. It feels demeaning, but I understand where it comes from enough to not really have any points for that.

I am responding because my point is shaming pedophiles, not arguing with you and if you had clarified from the start it was trauma related instead of coming at this without any thought of how distasteful it seemed, then no one would've attacked you mate, they would've debated

I see, i understand the misunderstanding now. You didn't read it so you think this is shotacon it is not, he is grown up at the end and nothing happened when he was a child!! I dont particularly like shotacon and i dont know the ethics behind that, i just like age gaps lol that is what helps me cope. People who enjoy this specific manwha are not pedophiles with destructive behaviours for reading and enjoying this, its just the average taboo age gap sort of stuff and its not for everyone, one thing it is not though is pedophilia. He looks grown and is grown by the end, he does not look like a shota imo?

Real pedophiles look at real CSAM, or shota that looks like a baby or a toddler not something like this Pedophiles usually love the power and taking away innocence and i dont really think either of that applies here? Hes grown and the one who initiated the sex because of his heat.

Not saying everyone who reads this stuff does so cus of trauma, some people just have daddy kinks or something as ive seen. But it helps me cope because my trauma makes me crave a destructive relationship like i had before, and reading fiction fills the hole and restrains me from doing that because it is fufilled with fiction. I dont wanna talk to anyone about the ethics of shotacon, im not well educated on that nor am i interested in it

I understand its a heavy word but the whole 'grape' censorship word came from tiktok, and their stricter guidelines and censorship. Women and their struggles have been silenced and censored time and time again and doing that when it is not needed and doing exactly what large powerful companies and governments want isnt exactly the greatest..? Tiktok always censors important political speech and women's stories etc and everyone censoring the word rape even outside of tiktok is just depressing because its exactly what they want, to censor bad things and make people walk on eggshells around the word. I dont know if that makes sense but i hate censorship a lot lol

I made my point so clear and yet you still managed to Dougie around it. IF I WERE TO DRAW A MURDER. And then say that no the lines were just dancing. Does it still appear as a murder? Or do you somehow manage to go oh yeah if you look closely you do see the pixels hitting the harlem shake? If someone was to see it with no context, would it APPEAR AS A MURDER. I'm ignoring your other points now because you seem to completely not understand what I'm saying and that's befuddling me. If you were to take away the speech bubbles, and look at maybe just the first chapter. What would it look like? Answer my question straight no dancing around my point give it to me straight. You open the manhwa, and it's just images, no speech bubbles no context, even if its just the first few chapters WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKKEEEAAUUUUHHHH the first chapters of a manhwa are used to reel in the audience, so what audience would be reeled in by the appearance of a boy that looks under 20,under 17 even, having sex with a man that looks like he's in a stable white collar job? The man who raised him?