this ^^ I feel like when I first started reading and uploading no one ever pointed it out but in the recent years, everyone is so "woke" about it and go out of their way t o point finger and call others "sick" and "problematic"
I upload shit that I like to read. If you don't like to read it, great! Don't go around saying that people that like this content are in real life, rapists or support it.
People should just say less nowadays. When I upload these mangas, I do it largely because I want to read it myself and share it with others and read everyone's comments. I go down to read what people think about the story, not on the rights vs wrongs about fictional rape for god's sake. Let me enjoy MY uploads with people that are reading it for the story.
You guys can go comment somewhere else. Go on Reddit or smth and complain. Not here; if you don't like it then click off. Why is everyone fighting over this it's genuinely dumb. I obviously don't fucking think rape is okay in real life. Please just stop with the hypocrisy. IT'S A BOYS LOVE MANGA FOR FUCK SAKE
I agree but I hate that "woke" turned into what it is today, its meaning got completely massacred. and the best thing is - these points antis are reiterating are just puritanism with a new look, i.e. conservative takes - the opposite of what I would call woke.
not only does purity culture negatively affect everyone by shaming and condemning people, but it also paves the way for censorship. and if anyone thinks censorship is okay when it's just "dark/dead dove" content that gets censored, you are thinking too naively. if any censorship is allowed, it will spread. because who decides what is dark content and what is not? a right-wing government will also think anything to do with LGBTQ+ is dark and sexual, therefore illegal. and that gets us to a really, really bad place. and then people will get arrested and thrown into prison for producing BL - just look at what China is doing with Danmei authors. (or what the USA is doing with banning everything that has anything to do with trans people)
and when they go after the things you enjoy too, you'll realize that the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party you voted for will also in fact eat YOUR face :)
(btw Morse_Fellow this reply isn't directed at you - just wanted to get another point across in the hopes that it resonates with someone)
I think a lot of people get that trashy work like this isn’t to be taken seriously but just say that. Some porn does actually change people and makes people turn to more extreme porn as they get used to it. We see it with teen boys all the time but we haven’t really researched the impacts on women and the porn they consume. I can tell you for a fact though that many Japanese authors have rape fetishes though and if you see more brutal scenes in other work it’s unfortunately meant to be fanservice for people with similar fetishes. They also have issues with pedophilia that bleed into manga and this site. This work doesn’t fall under that category. This is more like a raunchy smut novel which the west has plenty of that contain dub con and non con. I think it’s fine to let people discuss these topics or be disgusted by it and it doesn’t impact your ability to read it whatsoever.
I actually agree! I wouldn't be reacting this way if antis wouldn't harass people over reading stuff like this
are "antis" really harassing people over this? The new "woke" at least as far as what I've seen on twitter are people defending rape and screaming "censorship" at someone even who is barely initiating a conversation about the dangers of normalizing rape and sexual assault that is almost everywhere in yaoi these days. Obviously, this doesn't exactly apply to the above manga, but just like Viira mentioned, it is important to open up space for critical thinking for such sensitive topics.
In fact, the "woke" people are the same people I've seen harass Alice Oseman for understandably not wanting to associate her book with two MINOR high school characters to a genre that has had a history of pedophilia, rape and incest. Voicing valid criticism of the genre does not automatically equate to homophobia. There's space for dark and mature themes for sure, but without proper representation, it sets a scary precedent on impressionable readers.
I think its important to take a step back when you hear such opinions. We're not advocating for censorship, rather it feels like a real issue that the BL genre could learn and grow from.
I don't understand why you go out of your way to read media that contains "problematic" content and then turn around, point your fingers at everyone else and call them sick and fetishists just because they are able to distinguish between fiction and reality and you are not.
either you stay away from this kind of media, or you admit to yourself that you don't actually see this as actual rape. not liking it is totally fine btw - I think most here are not big fans of the rape scenes either. I'm also getting tired of rape scenes being used as plot devices, but I also understand that neither are these characters real, nor will they ever be real, therefore they cannot ever be harmed.
did Hannibal fans become cannibals themselves? do people who play shooter games regularly go out and kill people?
do people who watched Game of Thrones then go and fuck their sibling?
No! because if they did do that, it wasn't the media's fault at all, it's the people themselves!
fiction is fiction - yeah it has an impact on real life in the way that it has an impact on people's emotions and these are real. but if you actually think that rape scenes in BL are turning people into rapists, then please wait a few years until your frontal lobe is better developed and think about it again.
because I have never, not a single time, thought rape is okay because I've been reading media that contains rape scenes. if you have, however - please get help and I don't mean this in a condescending way, but genuinely. it is not normal to feel that way over fictional media.
rapists are rapists - not because they read too much media that contains rape scenes, but because we live in a system that tolerates rape too much. and you think the issue lies within the BL community, mostly made up by women and queer people - the demographic that is normally the victim instead of perpetrator??
do you even realize you are harassing real people over fictional characters? which is more important - real people with real feelings or fictional people that only exist in our world as lines or words?