they feel so called out that's why they are being so defensive lmao. And the fact that they're lying saying she's homophobic and also calling her a bitch and being really misogynistic. Really tells u how most fujoshis are.
exactly they love to throw the word “homophobic” anytime they lose an argument, yk how crazy it is for 3 fucking threads abt her writing a single sentence n calling her all sorts of names and she still clocked there tea
Yeah, she called all women who read bl disgusting fetishizers...
"When straight women consume gay male porn made by other straight women, they ARE fetishizing a marginalized group."
I told her I'm not straight, I just like to read romantic manga josei or bl same thing for me if plot and characters are good. And I'm sure most of bl readers are like me. I guess reading is a fetish now?
If the shoe fits wear it. U are picking n choosing on what she says , ur way of thinking is quiet narrow I fear. Well if u are not straight then the shoe doesn’t fit? Like pack it up. If ur not straight it’s not about you. A fetish is an extremely strong devotion to something. There are sexual fetishes and nonsexual fetishes: both are obsessive interests. Understand the meaning of words it is very important.
Reading is obsessive? What? Also she changed her tune and answered that if I'm not a gay male it's till a fetish, so...
Go to google please, and search up fetish for me okay? Because I literally got that definition from google so u don’t tweak out, is that okay? Thank you
And please change your tone, you are very rude.
"A fetish is an object or idea that a person feels an excessive, irrational, or obsessive devotion to"
So? I ask again, why do you think the act of reading bl is a fetish?
I'm not obsess over bl, I'm not devoted to bl, I read many different genre. What is your point?
I never said 'all women who read BL' are disgusting. Stop twisting my words.
I said women consuming YAOI, explicitly sexual content about gay men, made by women for women, often full of rape/assault, is fetishization and THAT is disgusting. I've made the distinction between romance-focused BL and yaoi multiple times now.
You said you read for plot and characters, not for sexual content. Then you're NOT who I'm talking about. (Which I’ve already told you btw!!) But the people calling het content ‘disgusting’ while treating gay relationships as their preferred porn is who I was addressing.
And yes, if your 'reading' involves consuming explicitly sexual content about a marginalized group you're not part of, primarily for sexual gratification, that's fetishization. That's literally what the word means.
Stop acting like I attacked all BL readers when I was specifically calling out fetishizers. You're being intentionally obtuse at this point.
I haven't 'changed my tune' at all. I've been saying the exact same thing from the start:
Women (regardless of sexuality, even though straight women have been my focus) consuming explicitly sexual content about gay MEN is fetishization. A gay woman is still a WOMAN. Being gay doesn't give you a free pass to fetishize a different marginalized group, that's not how it works.
A gay man fetishizing lesbians would still be fetishization. A lesbian fetishizing gay men is still fetishization.
I've expressed this already. You just keep ignoring it and acting like I'm changing my argument. Go back and read, I've been consistent.
You’re asking why I think reading BL can be a fetish, but you’re missing the point entirely. It’s not about the act of reading it’s about how and why certain people engage with it. First of all I answered that question: “an excessive or irrational devotion to something” and that’s only half the story. The rest of it comes from sociology and media studies: fetishization happens when a group outside of an identity turns that identity into an object of fascination, desire, or consumption. It’s not about you personally being “obsessed.” It’s about how entire audiences and industries repeatedly consume marginalized experiences as fantasy without belonging to that experience themselves. When stories about queer men are mostly written, consumed, and idealized by straight women, it reproduces the same dynamic of turning marginalized identities into objects of fascination rather than human experiences. Scholars have discussed how media like BL can reflect a pattern of “voyeuristic empathy,” where queerness is romanticized for emotional pleasure but detached from real queer struggles or representation. It’s not about hating the genre it’s about recognizing how it participates in a larger culture that markets queerness for consumption instead of understanding. Ok, but you asked why I think BL can be a fetish, so I’ll answer you. It’s because the genre often romanticizes the idea of queerness without accountability or authenticity. It creates this safe, detached way for readers to explore queerness while still keeping it at a distance where it’s fun to consume but not something they have to confront or respect in real life. Also I’d like to take points that are very important from one my responses to you: stop acting like calling out fetishization is “hate.” It’s not hate, it’s criticism. The same way feminists critique the male gaze, I’m critiquing the female gaze when it commodifies gay men. Both can objectify. Both can harm. You don’t get moral exemption just because your gaze feels “softer.” You’re not defending queer people; you’re defending your ability to consume them without guilt.
Even if someone claims to read a variety of genres or says they aren’t obsessed, that doesn’t erase the underlying dynamic of who holds power in the creation and consumption of these narratives. BL often positions queerness as something to be gazed upon rather than understood, reinforcing stereotypes that distance readers from the lived realities of queer people. The issue isn’t about personal taste it’s about how this consumption continues to normalize seeing marginalized identities through fantasy and control.
And about my tone if being direct makes you uncomfortable, that’s on you. You don’t get to tone-police someone for using facts just because it hits a little too close to home.
As much as I enjoy reading BL I agree with the girl that rage baited y’all, she has a point and I think that’s why ppl mad , cause somewhere in between those lines she’s right. Props for standing on business