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Im glad they showed he didn’t change, because if he did then this lawyer wouldn’t have gotten a reality call. He’s so naive. He thinks that because he changed, everyone else can. He sees himself as a victim more than anything else and resents the fact that people hold criminals accountable. He doesn’t even seem to regret hurting people, he just uses excuses on why he did it. He regrets it in a way that it screwed up his life and it wasn’t a way to live. Not once did he show being actually apologetic for hurting someone though. He thinks he’s entitled to forgiveness, and resents not getting it, and I kind of wonder if he has forgiven his father if that’s the case. I get it, those kids are victims too, but that doesn’t give them a right to take it out on other people. Lawyer was the perpetrator, so he’s incapable of of empathizing with the victims. He does not care about the victims at all. Honestly, I would like to see someone seriously wrong him just to see if he would actually follow his forgiveness principle as he speaks so lightly of it.
Also, they showed that some of the TRPA cases did change. Without his program or whatever else, they showed some of the past perpetrators helping them.

I get your point since I yeah, now that you mention it, I don't remember reading about the lawyer's thoughts on his victims. So, it appears he focuses more on his reasons as the perpetrator for doing what he did and I do agree that no matter the reason, it doesn't justify whatever wrong you commit to others. However, my point is on the program abt the environment thingy, not on whether the lawyer is like this or not. I simply don't want an "it's his fault! It's this thing's fault!" Typa message, since I honestly think there's more than 1 factor to most situations. Though I do kinda disagree with HOW he said the thing abt society being the one at fault and not the offender when I don't think that is ALWAYS the case. For me, barely anything will be an always. Still, I don't like him nor do I hate him since I don't have a definite idea on his character yet, we're only now starting to get more details abt him after all. Also, I don't want to come up with conclusions just yet but I see why you say that he doesn't care about the victims since he's so very focused on the perspective of him, the perspective of the perpetrator. Which is prob why he's so mad abt the violence against violence of the trpa. (tho I am actually in the middle of that argument) Still, I was not siding with the lawyer or anything, and yeah I know of the girl that changed and helped the trpa. Well, the point of my comment still stands, for just bcs the lawyer's like a selfish or whatever person doesn't mean I'll reject the entirety of what he's going for and again, he wasn't even what I was speaking on. Nor is my point on bullies can change type thing. It's on how the environment shapes people and how change is more dependent on the self. It's on how his program isn't useless. It seems you thought I was defending him, correct me if I'm worng bout that.

Oh, I agree with a lot of your points. I also don’t think it’s almost ever an „always” thing, I think it’s a very complex matter. I also agree that there should be a better rehabilitation programs, but my opinion on this a bit more complicated. 1. There are some crimes that in my opinion can never be forgiven (like torture, rape, human trafficking etc). 2. There should be a balance between rehabilitation and punishment. I read the raws and it seems that it’s still unclear if that kid changed or not. But even if this program works to an extent, I still think it focuses too much on a perpetrator and totally dismisses the victim. I think there still should be a punishment before the rehabilitation, because otherwise it’s like you’re just rewarding the perpetrators for the crimes they did. Even if they don’t see it that way, how is the victim supposed to feel then? You went through hell, you have trauma for life and possibly a physical disability of some sort, and your tormentor…gains a better life out of it? And it’s also the kind of program that would work for some and not other, what about when it doesn’t work then? When the perpetrator comes back from vacation to hurt his victim again? Rehabilitation is important, but I think justice system should always prioritize the victims. I also think that a lot of crimes are committed, because there are no harsh punishments for it (like here it’s shown with kids that they know they won’t face any real consequences, as well as for example it’s the same case with SA cases where perpetrators either completely get away with it or get laughable sentences). I do think the lawyer does not care about victims at all as he was never shown to do so, not even his own. He’s going as far as actively working against them too. A lot of these kids didn’t get justice, because of him. Regardless what his reasons and beliefs are, I don’t see how’s he’s any different than people who knowingly protect murders or mobsters. Does it matter if someone does it for the money or their own beliefs if the outcome is the same? = no punishment

I also find it funny how he sees himself and these kids as victims and finds it justified what they did to other people, but doesn’t find justified the fact that victims resent them or want to hold them accountable. So, if you’re a victim you have a right to hurt people, but if those people in any way fight back then it’s… unfair? To me, he’s just a massive hypocrite who projects his own experiences onto other kids and doesn’t see anyone but himself and his own opinions.

Ahhh, I seeee. Okay, I agree with both of your points and I admit I haven't considered those and yeah, it would be unfair if violent crime offenders were to evade harsh punishment through rehab. I think I lacked details in the program thingy since it would seem that I meant for it to be applied to all law offenders when that's not it. I agree that there are people who truly are irredeemable that they must pay for their crimes through actual punishments that could somewhat give justice to the victims.

So, let me just add to my points for clarity. Rehab programs should still be applied since they really can help change people, even that program thought of by the lawyer. However, like you said, there should be a balance. That will be through how it's applied (who's eligible for it, when it will be recieved, etc.) Preferrably, offenders should still be punished in accordance to the severity of their crime/s. Rehab, IF APPLICABLE, (I wish I could italize, all caps look aggressive lol) will come in during (there's a set schedule) or after their sentence.

It's all about how it's used as on its own, its intentions are good and effective. I repeat, it's on how it's used and the people who recieve it. Some change after facing harsh consequences for their crimes, some would not care or would be pushed to commit such again or much worse. That can be applied for rehab as well. Also, we've seen characters who just come in and out of juvenile thingies (either bcs they don't give af or the so called punishment they recieve is just that light since they're minors) and that girl who changed. Honestly, the characters here are kids, their punishments will really not be as harsh as adults with the same severity of crimes, if I remember correctly. So I do not expect any of them in this story to be given harsh sentences, since ideals rarely become a universal reality.

While writing this, the lawyer really is too idealistic and focused on the offenders. No matter what you do, it depends on them if they change. Still, we should put effort into helping them, but that shouldn't reach the point where their punishment becomes nonexistent.

Oh and I forgot,

I agree, though idk if any of the offenders we’ve seen here are all that applicable either. I think they still should face a harsh punishment first at the very least, cause what most of them do could easily classify as „torture” if people stopped minimizing their bullying into „child’s play”. In real life a lot of that would’ve been considered torture (assault at the very least for the lighter cases here) if it happened between adults.