The psychological damage wouldn't suddenly be reversed just because Bum is in a safe place. Bum's mental health wasn't in the best condition before he met Sangwoo, it has only gotten worse since. Bum is not thinking rationally.
That's not the point. I never said that Boom doesn't have psychological issues. And i certenly didn't mention anything being reversible....you make it sound like my comment says he is cured now....did you miss the part where it says SICK and TWISTED? What i'm saying is this isn't Stockholme syndrome, and ppl who think it is just see things too onedimensionally. The mental problems Boom has are numerus and they play a big role in determening his character, but they are not the sole reason why he is attached to Sangwoo. He is in love with him. That is my point. He was completely rational in this chapter, if he wasn't he wouldn't have managed to evade all of those questions from the cops.
I agree, from the beginning he was in love with him, and even though hes been subjected to horrible things its not stockholm at all, he is unmedicated and in love with him as terrible as the love is , he still makes the choice to stay by his side （￣へ￣）
You say he's sick and twisted but also that he's also rational, that's a bit confusing. I don't know if it's Stockholm syndrome driving his decisions but he's not thinking rationally.
Exactly! thank you ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
Omg....I said IN THIS chapter he was rational. From the way he behaved in front of the cops, and the decision he made to protect Sangwoo in the end....I never said he was rational all along. I feel like you can't understand a comment....let alone the manhwa. lol.
I feel like you think there is only one way to interpret this manhwa (〜￣△￣)〜
You must not understand how Stockholm Syndrome works or how complex it can be. Because it doesn't take the captor whispering in the victim's ear for them to follow the captor's every desire. There are multiple cases, real cases, where as even years after the victim was rescued, the victim would claim to still feel affection and even compassion for their captor. I'm not saying the main character has it, but do understand that calling other stupid only shows your ignorence because Stockholm Syndrome is a very real thing that is depicted (maybe not intentionally) in this manga.
Umm no....that's you who thinks so #－.－)
Are you not the one who said I couldn't understand the manhwa because I disagreed with you? (〜￣△￣)〜
I know very well how Stockholm syndrome works. I'm making the argument that Boom is acting on his own acord regardless. Faced with pictures of Sangwoos dead victim, faced with accusation that he killed a girl and that he might go to jail for it, faced with the statement that Sangwoo might not love him, and lastly the possibility that one day he will probably die by his hand as well - he chooses to protect him anyway! You can't say all of that is just because he got attached like kidnapping victims usually do.
Oh and btw, just because victims of kidnapping feel longterm affection for their captors, doesn't mean that they would ever go back into that situation.
No i said you couldn't understand the manga because you couldn't understand my comment...thus i had to explain it to you twice ╮(￣▽￣)╭
You are a troll or just too immature to understand this and fail to see it even its spelled it out for ya.
totally agree with you !
No...Let's be frank. Bum was never 100% rational. Even from the beginning he has psychological issues stemming from his early age(abusive uncle). His decisions and choices are not something "rational" people would think of doing (stalking, self harm, protecting your kidnapper, etc). He never got psychological help and stays insecure and all sort. Now that we established that Bum is not mentally fine (we all know) let's move on.
In the beginning we see that he's trying to run away but fear overtakes him a lot and he just relents, follows and be obedient to save his own life (we all admit that's stockholm syndrome). But then later, he starts falling into the role of sangwoo's sidekick, a friend, a "crush", "lover". (ever act a character for so long and so seriously that you lose yourself? No? Not an actor? Can't relate? Okay) It's a trap. His mind is slowly convincing himself that his life is better like this, living with a psychotic murderer, confined. This story having told from Bum's pov didn't help the readers with their rationality either (I mean Sangwoo is so fcking hot. He's burning in that bathtub like). And bam, the readers have officially fallen into Bum's mindset (well...some of us did.)
Yes, indeed a great manhwa but not a rare case. THIS IS STOCKHOLM SYNDROME whether we like to admit it or not.
I've discussed this with my psychology professor because I was truly interested in his opinion of the situation (if you need some ethos to back up on, he has a master degree in psychology and been in the field for 29 years). It's nothing new in the psychology world. I remembered his lesson regarding this subject, he joked about how yes, we can make people fall in "love" with us. "Kidnap someone. Threaten them. Then treat them with love. But dont forget to keep the threat in the background just in case. And bam, they think you're a saint because their situation is "better". You might go to jail afterward but at least you got someone waiting for you when you get out." Once you convince yourself of your feelings, it takes a planet and two stars to change your mind. Humans are stubborn. We don't back down. We double up. Why do you think obsessed people never give up even though they are told their feelings are not mutual shared.
His decision to be loyal is conscious but it is not rational. He has established the fact that Sangwoo loves him and will love him back and won't listen to reasoning, especially from a random ass cop he doesn't even trust. If you try to convince people they are wrong when they are so sure they are right, you have them on the defensive and they automatically block you out. Bum's face simply means he doesn't give two crap about what other people say. Doesn't care about what's wrong or right.
I am torn between wanting Sangwoo arrested and him and bum being happily ever after. I don't mind your opinion on their love because this is twisted love. However, for you to adamantly claim this is no longer Stockholm syndrome or Stockholm syndrome is no longer a thing that affects Bum, is something i simply have to dip my hands into. If the syndrom was that easy to rid of, it wouldn't even have a name. It wouldn't be as famous. But it does have a name and it is famous and psychology has question why, why, why, why does this person think they are in love with their abusive lover? rapist? Kidnapper? Why? Because my friend, a mental illness doesn't just disappear when the source does. Just because a deep wound heal doesn't mean it wont leave a scar.
I feel this chapter it's mostly his BPD speaking for him, rather than Stockholms.
And I don't think someone so deep in the disorder could ever be called rational, yes he had time to calmly think, and made his choice and is sticking to it, but he is far from being clearheaded, when just moments ago he was hallucinating.
Anyway the more fucked up they get the more i ship those two so whatever, they suit eachother in their own fucked up way
Omg...i feel like you are wrong about some points....but im too lazy to even go at it anymore cuz it's too long...it's just sad to me that ppl look up Stockholme on wikipedia or take a psych class and feel the need to lable this as such. Psychology is not a science and therefore it's not black and white....2 ppl with exact same symptomes can have different diagnoses. If I were you i'd take a lit class or read authors like Dostojevski...to broaden your views on these issues...
Woah you actually read the definition in Wikipedia? Great, but you still couldn't figure it out. And psychology is a behavioral science, yes, but Bum... *sigh* l am not going to beat this dead-rotting horse. Peace!
Okay, clearly everyone here has different opinions on whether Boom has Stockholm Syndrome or not, so you just stating that you're correct is pretty ignorant. OBVIOUSLY, if everyone here is having a difficult decision between whether it's Stockholm Syndrome or not it is not as "obvious" as you thought. No matter what you say, no matter how many posts you create, I'm still going to believe Boom has Stockholm Syndrome, and this does not make us idiots lmao.
I'm not trying to force my opinion on others but because you so persistently try to convince us it's not Stockholm Syndrome I will state my opinion as well.
Boom WAS in love with Sangwoo, he WAS stalking him, THEN he found out he is a murderer. (Keyword = Was + Then). Afterward, Boom became frightened and he tried to escape multiple times. Out of fear of being abused he obeyed Sangwoo and later on fell in "love" with him. (Stockholm Syndrome, check). Okay. So, he has been stuck with Sangwoo for so long now and now he's at a police station filled with cops. Boom became even closer with Sangwoo after he murdered that girl because he was afraid of being arrested. I believe that even now he defends Sangwoo because he doesn't want to be arrested and fears what will happen if he confesses about Sangwoo. It has only been like what, 2-3 days since they were in the police station? That is most definitely not enough time to open up.
Stockholm Syndrome clearly states that you DO NOT have to be in danger to side with a captor. You say you understand Stockholm Syndrome and that it's ridiculous to look up, but do you really understand? I think you may want to look it up as well honestly. There is more than one way to look at this and this was just my opinion but you should stop trying to ignorantly force your opinions on others.
Modern psychological is supported by empirical data. It is very ignorant to tell someone to seek education in psychology from a literature class.
No. Just no. For the last time this isn't Stockholm syndrome. Boom was completely sober and rational in this chapter. He was in a police station full of cops. He is not in danger right now. With a policeman who promissed him protection and help. Sangwoo wasn't around to manipulate him or affect his decisions. When he was being told about the horrible things Sangwoo did he understood and knew it himself. When he was told that Sangwoo doesn't love him, he took it to heart, cuz he knew it was mostlikely true.
When he says 'I'm sorry' in one of the last pannels, it's really clear that he has made a concious decision to stay by his side. Those were not the words of someone scared of their kidnapper.
He doesn't have any illusions about Sangwoo, he isn't ruled by fear, he is no longer a captive of his.
I feel really sorry for all of you who don't see something so obvious. Are you people really that dumb, or do you not pay attention when reading this?? If there ever was Stocholm syndrome, Boom no longer has it, his feelings have evolved.
This is love! It might be dark, twisted and sick...but what Boom feels is love. Stockholme syndrome has nothing to do with it anymore. And Boom is ready to die by the hand of the one he loves, rather than live apart from him. Yall should wake up and see that, cuz it's what makes this manuha a masterpiece! Period.
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