Yes , I agree. But this is yaoi. It's just something normal here. The Unrealistic is realistic here. People anyhow read it, aware of it. Because ultimately it's Boy's love and in the end it's all justified cause ultimately it gives that satisfaction and fulfill the fantasy of seeing relationship between beautiful boys. I'm not against anything you said, I have stated the same things before. I'm also trying to validate your point. But I've come to accept that that's just how yaoi is and I should just have fun. I still look out for gem of stories and really appreciate such stories that have more solid plot, realistic actions by the characters and a good message.:) :) :)
Until this manwa ends I'm still giving it a chance. Not for how it has been until now but for how things are going to work out. The two most important things is one dg getting his character growth, learning to be assertive and gain self esteem. And the other is without excuse Alex has to redeem himself or apologize to dg..that is if this manhwa wants to have a satisfiable ending.....soryy lonh post :P
No I gotta agree the scene with the dildo was especially brutal and doesn't show up in yaoi that are toe-ing the line with a rape trope. People are taking it like it's normal for yaoi, but it's really not normal even for yaoi. I don't think you could show me a yaoi in which that happens and the uke isn't hurt / it doesn't really fuck up their relationship.
Agree that some is consensual and other is gray area (like drunk in the hallway with DG sayin no).
I'm just saying something because it annoys me that people defend Alex a lot saying that DG signed up for this stuff. He didn't sign up for intimate partner violence lol
Oh I will never defend Alex, no way. I understand what you are saying. It's shown that alex had a bad experience in the past; yes he was brutally cheated by someone he genuinely cared for. But somehow I never found it as an extremely traumatizing reason for him to be who he is now, at least normally that backstory wouldn't necessary drive a person in this direction. This is completely the author's choosing and imagination. Even then Alex's backstory hasn't triggered my empathy towards him. I'm okay that he decides to be a jerk or not wanting a relationship, but to be unsympathetic and mindless and inconsiderate. One can't put blame on his past n get away with it, cause that is alex's doing...either he is very stupid or has a very low emotional IQ. I was very disturbed at that dildo scene too, though dg screams n says no he just goes at it like a mindless machine , that's inhumane. Forget rape or assault or anything,...it was very cold and cruel. And the past isn't an excuse for that. I'm not okay with such things, but I wanna read and these things are just there. It's not my first exp with the rape type situations and Stockholm syndrome in yaoi...they're all over the place. I just let it slide n enjoy the rest cause really what can be done :(
Oh ok! I slightly misunderstood what you were saying and thank you for clearing it up! I totally agree with literally everything you've said. I wish that kind of nuanced understanding was mpre the norm than just shallow defense of alex and explaining away his actions. Thank you !!!
jiwon and DG are in a sex friendship which means they are consenting to having sex which means that when they have sex its not rape
HOWEVER,
in the chapter when jiwon got unjustifiably angry at DG because he was jealous and then prcoeeded to stick a dildo up DG ass and the fuck him with the dildo still inside, THAT was actually rape, that was assault. they never agreed to play like that and have also never had sex like that before. DG was actively against that and did not want to be fucked like that, in fact he was actually verbalizing that he was in pain. lets all try to understand properly what rape is. some scenese between them are consenting, some are rape, and some are in a gray area and thats a fact