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Self defense is self defense. If a woman is trying to rape you trans or cis you’d do whatever you need to get her away. The rapist being a woman doesn’t make rape any less real. Also everyone bitches about rape in their yaoi and you complain about fighting off the rapist?
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Self defense is self defense you shouldn't get raped just because the rapist is a woman

Cute. Did it take you the whole 2-3 days to come up with that? Why do you care more about a man punching another (physically speaking) man just because he identifies as a woman then that woman fucking drugging him to RAPE him!
And yes it was a single hit. There is a panel that shows her with a bruise on her cheek but appears simply disappointed, not pained or scared.

I don’t think she was trans I think she had a strap on but idk

Well transphob it's simple, after they left the room in the end it showed that his boyfriend went back and beat her up. I get self defense not arguing that, but clearly in reality I would have called the cops if I had gotten away from the assailant. I wouldn't condone a grown man to go and beat a woman. They are no different then cis females, they can be overcome very easily with the stature of his boyfriend. I would have just called the cops, boom she goes to jail end of story. No body brought up not caring for the victim, so get off my tits on that subject. I was saying, that if he got away (in this case the man did) then why not just avoid the encounter with the assailant. No reason for his boyfriend to go back and beat her, not cool he should have pressed charges and put her in jail. Now in the eyes of the law he can face jail time for assault. Again this is fiction I get why in Asia raped is used as a plot tool a lot of feorigen readers dont get that. I read it and respond to ridiculous plot tools like this that served little to no purpose to stories other then dramatic fillers. (︶︿︶)＝凸

maybe I'm wrong but I don't think they can press charges that easily? I mean they're doing underground and slightly illegal business. So the law does not play a big part in their lives. I think you're forgetting the sort of world they live in, where the stronger survive. This would apply to no matter the country, because if you're in the yakuza, or in a gang, or in a mafia, or in the underground, or in the black market, there is no such thing as "pressing charges".

I was raised around that type of stuff, and that is true if you awe money or drugs. But if someone is after you for revenge the law keeps you safe. So that is just a excuse. In real life most gangs just ask for their money or drugs and just leave you along after that. This is a unrealistic plot so i responded to it. It was not helping the story to have a woman rape a man. Realistically the woman would drug the guy and harvest his organs. That i can get behind but rape and over powering a guy with muscles? Kinda unrealistic.

ok... now you're being a bit too specific and nit-picky. It's not about "what you think they would have done in real life"- you can't read their minds, and not all ppl (including 2d characters) follow a code or a predictable path. In the real world, rape is not uncommon- some people are just that disgusting to get off to it. It's like saying that rape is not realistic irl because ppl who do it could have harvested the organs. But NO- rape does happen. Not because ppl gain anything from it, but because they ENJOY it.
Also- that's exactly what this gang does tho? They just lend and receive money. They don't anything super dramatic.

Okay of course im being nit picky it was only a few things i had a issue with it's called a "opinion" wow would of thought. Rape is bad but what is worse is a rape that doesn't make any sense. And don't back paddle now by saying that money lending it's not "dramatic". It's illegal drug money, if you don't pay they fuck you up. Im just being realistic. Now back to rape, it happens i have survived it many times and ill tell you they were all stronger then me. Some of it was gang related due to the area i live in. But needless to say this specific scenario has no motive other then for the plot. And lastly i do judge a plot by how a person would go about this in a real situation. That's not being unfair that being logical, if the person raping him could overpower him ide defend myself with anything around me. Even rufied i reached for a pen and stabbed my rapist. I was sorta out of it due to rufy drugs but i called the dam cops like a person should. I don't care if the person is a gang member or not if im in trouble i get the hell out of there and call the cops. He is a man with muscles i pretty sure he would be able to at least push or punch her if he was conscious enough to for a erection or to resist. I would have fought like hell and ran. Not let my bf go back beat her wtf you just might put yourself at risk what if she is protected by gang members? Or she has a gun? Or knife? Point is, out of all the yaoi mangas i have read with rape scenes. This one was not realistic and to me from someone who gone through a lot worse then this charecter. I thought it added no real flavor to the story. It was the typical rape trope of ohhh im helps come save me blah blah. These are other stories where the rape was pretty vivid like "killing stalking" that took me a long time to finish because of how accurate and terrifying the rape was. And the rapes were a key point to the plot because it was a action he did that he took out on his victims because it reminds him of his mother. This was nothing that creative. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

A few counterpoints. You’ve mentioned him going back to beat the lady up which was never indicated to have happened. We are shown that he encountered her twice: when she tried to rape him and he punched her (“beat her ass” as he said), and when he stopped her from raping the younger guy. And I believe that both instances did serve a purpose. The first was presented to be the awakening of the young guy to his feelings for the older one and the second one was to give the older guy and excuse to pull the younger one out of the host club and take him back home.
Also I’m not a transphob, I just don’t ignore biology. If you could lessen your judgemental boner a bit you wouldn’t have ignored the famine pronoun I did give her when my sentence was directed at the lady. I used the pronoun he in regards to a man coming to understand themself as a transgender.

First of all they have names lol(fuuta n minoru). Your confusing the hell out of me by not saying their names. And also you using her gender, that she isn't as way to put her down or at least that's the way it seems was transphobic. You can believe all you want but it makes you a pretty shitty person to throw that in someone's face when they can't control that (other then surgery). And your counter points* from what i read which i've been in quarantine so a lot has happened (went back to the last two chapters to confirm) fuuta had 2 encounters with the woman. Dinner and the failed attempted rape scene. Which mind you was just a aphrodisiac, not a sedative. Which further reinstated my point of a full grown muscle cis man, Who has a bigger frame and muscle mass could defend himself easy from a assaults like this, it's sexual assault at the most. How ever minoru was raped by her, she forced penetrated herself after drugging him with a aphrodisiac as we see in his flash back(or was eluded to). So there was penetration, that would be rape, how ever fuuta didn't get raped. And after minoru saved fuuta, there was no version of the story with her in after it cuts to a sex scene of fuuta and minoru. But after they have sex it does show that minoru had beat her for revenge. If i was minoru, i would have called the police, instead of going back to the assaulter. Minoru had her being held by two staff members, i would have them tie her and put her in a wine cellar of the bar so the cops can get her. Minoru could be counter sued for assault in court, a good lawyer would have a field day with this case because of unfair bias of men in consent cases. So not sure what you people are implying that i am defending rape im not, it's a story and stories have plots. How we get there is not always very understandable a.k.a "obey me" was a horrible manga that was ridiculous mostly pointless rape, and love, and imprisonment, and alter personalities none of it made any sense (was comical because it was so bad). Unlike "killing stalking" where it is made perfectly clear how rape was used. I just have a unpopular opinion, as a multiple rape survivor myself. I know what rape is and that was not it for fuuta, and served no purpose other then a cheap sex scene of them using the aphrodisiac the "host destroyer" gave him. So the whole "host destoryer" charecter could have been avoided as it served no purpose to the story. Other then weird filler #－.－)

ok i agree that a lot of yaoi mangas do put in rape as a plotfiller. In this context, it wasn't a central point at all.
Btw, she (the rapist) drugged them and he actually did manage to avoid getting raped.
When I said money lending wasn't dramatic, i meant that their business wasn't too unrealistic. You can have opinions, I was saying that not everything goes exactly the way that it should irl.
I'm sorry that you have had to go through stuff like that, and I get that you might be more sensitive when rape and etc isn't portrayed properly.
Ok let's not continue this lol, have a good day.

You and I are reading this story differently. In the last chapter when they are talking about Mei’s assault on Minoru ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/gohoubi_ha_shitsuke_no_ato/hs/ibx_chapter-5/pg-34/) he explicitly said it was a failed attempt because he kicked her ass and that panel of her with a bruise on her face appeared to be meant as “this was her after he hit her for trying”. That’s why I disagree that he “went back for revenge” as you say. Mei is 0 for 2 on attempts. I apologize that I stated that she raped either of them instead of attempted to that was just me not being thorough with what I wrote.
Fuuta passed out mid meal and was moved to a hotel room asleep, so yes the drug used on him had a sedative affect.
I will not speak for anyone else but the reason I started replying to you about you defending the rape was because your presenting comment showed more concern over hitting a woman regardless of circumstance over drugging and sexual assault of the Minoru.
No matter what I say regarding my thoughts on transsexuals you’ve decided I’m a transphobic but I’m going to say one last thing on it because regardless of what you say after this message I’m not commenting again. I believe you can’t disregard biology when discussing physical capabilities, that does not mean a person is what they are born as. I do think people genuinely believe they are not born in the proper sex and how they identify and live their life is entirely up to them after having a realization. You’re not going to believe me because you’ve already come to the conclusion that I’m a “shitty person” but I still want my record straight.

Well Fuuta was not raped, it was Minoru. Fuuta is the host, he avoided it because Minoru saved him. But it was still a sexual assault, now like i said this story was not the best in construction because during the sex scene you don't see fuuta defending himself. Unlike Minoru who in a flash back look as if he was being overpowered. By a ruffy drug, instead Minoru takes the opportunity to use the aphrodisiac that Fuuta was given. They just had sex in the place of assault. Lol that's crazy to me who has sex in very same place you were almost raped

to me was not right and was dangerous that's what i was getting at

Well thank for that, but i am not that sensitive to it i have done a lot of self counselling. But as for me rape in manga is a culture thing, in manga it is a translation of control in female comics. So i know why it is used so there for i know it is not happening on a horrific scale like killing stalking. Where that did strike a cord with me, because it was very violent. Even though the story was very well written i was still uncomfortable reading those parts. These type of stories, i guess i can read between the lines and see a shtick when i see one. If i had it my way if i could edit most yaoi i would write alot of rape out, a lot of it isn't needed in most of the comics i have read so far. But their are some were it does serve a purpose to the plot. But im just a reader all i have is my opinion, a lot of readers attack certain characters with this mob mentality of morals. This is fantasy it is not real my thing is why if they are gonna use rape or sexual assault, why can't it not be at least related to the plot some how. Cause rape is so over used and it honestly is quite annoying to constantly read. So when a cheesy rape or sexual assault is being used i always look at the agenda they want achieve and i dissect that. Any way it's cool im way over my past now i still have residual CPTSD but i manage. I hope you have a good day as well

Oh my god your stupid, “men shouldn’t hit women” Technically speaking that “women” still has a body of a man, and he was trying to rape the seme, no problem with that in my book as rape is everywhere in Yaoi, but it wasn’t even WRONG for the seme to punch that bitch as he tried to rape him, if it was reverse, everyone would be like “Yes queen don’t let no man force you” blah blah blah stupid feminist shit,

I would hit ANYONE who tries to rape someone
Man or woman I don't give a shit
Even though she didn't rape them but there was an attempt (╯°Д °)╯╧╧
As a feminist, all I really wanted was to be treated equally
But these fckn feminazi are ruining everything like wtf dude
Everyone should have an equal punishment for a crime they did ( or attempted to do) regardless of gender

Just a thing that bothered me.. Minoru wasn't raped.. When Mei tried to rape him, Minoru hit her (and that's the part where he kicked her ass)
He didn't hit her after she tried to rape Fuuta (maybe off screen, but it never appeared at the manga)

And another thing, Fuuta says he can't move well because of the drug, probably the sedative she gave him were still kicking in

Third, they didn't have sex at the hotel, where the assault happened. Minoru just helped Fuuta cum once because he was drugged with the aphrodisiac.. The sex happened at their house, after the "party"