So it's been a while since I read this I just got done re reading it. I will say that what...

Correct me if im misunderstanding anything. Ur points are very much valid but i think u misunderstood what the princess was saying. Its easier said than done to stand up for yourself and she understands that. Thats what the wall is. She was not pitying herself rather she was commending paul for doing exactly what you are saying. She was looking up to paul for changing the game and taking a stand. So while i agree with what you are saying i think you are also agreeing with the princess lol. All the princess was asking was for paul to have empathy for the other princesses situation. She was asking paul to see her situation through the princess as well as to have some empathy for those who perhaps dont have as strong a mentality. And paul learned from that too. She becamw more aware of the womens efforts around her as well as her own. As she said, all women are fighting in thier own way. It has nothing to do with who is more pitiful. The idea is it doesnt matter what one person went thru vs the other its that everyone is fighting thier own battles, and so we need to have empathy and corage as individuals.

Srry for my bad spelling i cant type on my phone for sht lol =v=)....

I lack empathy but I tend masquerade it very well. As for the her I dont know if we were truly saying the same thing. If they truly dont want to be in that spot anymore they just need to fight for it humans have 2 things to them its give up or keep fighting. To me these girls decided to give up before even trying or barreling into what they want.

that was very well said, i wish i could give ur comment a like!

honestly, i don’t think we can criticize their lifestyle of not “fighting back”, because of their upbringing. they were born as a women, without having a chance of fighting back- or even thinking of rebelling. their parents, society pressures, and traditions cause them to not act out and change, to which isn’t their own fault, but the life n time period they’ve been given. granted, like you said- they “just need to fight for it” but that is lowkey an understatement. i get what you’re trying to say, but considering the time period this story is, no one was able to consider or have the chance to fight back- only in the next thousand years will this mindset of changing n movements will actually form. it’s frustrating as a woman to see them struggle, but it is what it is back in the day :/

To the English yes that's how they did shit but if you looked at Vikings or more "barbarians" their woman knew how to fight hunt and if they got raped the rest of the men would round him up and have the woman beat the shit out of him before letting her kill him. Plus even in societies kind of like the English you had woman that made their own shops and mass murdered men if they were shitty husbands to their wives. (Aqua tofana) there's plenty of woman in history that have done amazing shit yes they died in the end but bro I'd rather die a warriors death then sit back be quiet as a mouse under rules I could care less for

I think you have some internalized misogyny you just don’t realize it. For you there are on the one hand those who fight for themselves and on the other hand those who don’t and are passive... But that is a simplistic, black and white way of thinking.

First we don’t have all the same opportunities. The mc was sent to war where she became stronger and where she could show her new abilities. Thus, she could climb the ladder. Do you really think that being sent to war is something that can happen to every girl ? Since that’s not the case, each girls fight for a better life with means and oppunities that they can get : these are most of the time marriage, taking care of the household, having children, etc. There are a few other means like opening a business but they are less available and needs support. This is why a girl who know swordsmanship is not necessarily stronger than a girl who doesn’t, because you fight with what you get.

Plus, inner strength is not from your own merit but is a product of your education and experiences. Girls are educated differently from boys, we teach the latter to be more assertive and confident. That’s for the gender discrepancy but I was talking in general too : we develop inner strength and resilience during childhood, thanks to the supportive people who believed in us (family or friends). This is well known psychology. If you don’t get affection or support from at least one person in your life, your chance of being mentally resilient and stable are close to none (btw fictions are misleading on this subject, since a lot of mentally strong characters are from shitty houselhold or were outcasted. This is fantasy not reality). Anyway, in the past, even more than the present there were a lot of neglected childs who were not able to grow up into strong willed adult. People who are quick to judge and think that « someone who doesn’t fight back = someone who doesn’t try enough » are usually the most privileged. So they are blind to those who are not.

Paulianna understood well that she got unique oppunities and that everyone fight with what they got. Because of that the « amazing women in history » that you mentioned are rare and expecting everyone to be like them is hypocritical.

That's alot of bullshit my grandmother didn't speak of lick of english was poor worked at a tomato farm and was made fun of because she was Mexican. But she learned to speak english became a miltary woman and even when she was degraded she would do everything in her power to prove them wrong eventually she was an inspector for military weapons and vehicles people hated her but shes like if you did it right the first time I wouldnt make you do it again. You can say its misogynistic inside me I think this to all of the human race on this planet. No one attempts they just give in because oh I wasn't born with this privilege to get there like this other person. If you wanted it then fight with everything you got to get it. The moment you stop trying to fight is the moment you lose. If life was easy it would be the biggest slut on the planet but unfortunately it's not it's a bitch that will fight tooth and nail with you

Your counter-agument is one example of your grand mother ? That doesn’t prove anything. That is almost as weak as the « I’m not racist because I have a black friend »
Anyway, I was just giving you general informations that show us that feats are not just the result of strong will ; oppunities, support and luck plays a huge part. There are a lot of studies that back what I am saying, I recommend you to search for 1) the psychology behind resilience
2) the survivor bias - this bias leads a lot people to think that strong will and motivation is enough to succeed. The reason behind that is that we tend to remember those who succeed but not those who put the same amount of effort, or even more, yet fail because of lack of positive circumstances.
I genuily think that you could learn from these few studies and as a result gain more empathy.

I wasnt planning on continuing the conversation but im a bit peeved reading your responses. Your origional post had sense to it and i saw where you were coming from but gurl...this aint it no more. As i said earlier it is much much easier to tell stories of others bravery and say what you would have done, than actually do anything. Im not saying you aren't brave or that there arnt amazing ppl out there (btw ur grandma sounds cool) but to belittle those who cannot have the same mentality or feel held back is certainly ignorant. It is easy to tell a poor person on the street to just get a job, or tell a woman in an abusive relationship to just break up n leave, or tell a drug addict to just not do drugs. Unfortunately life simply doesn't work that way. It is an undeniable fact, a literal ton of statistics u can find at a click of a finger on how ppl start at diffrent levels of life. Not everyone has the same amount of chances to reach for a better life. To not understand that is just plain and simple ignorance. You dont have to have empathy but to not understand such a simple frustration that can be seen almost everywhere around you is not ok. Being ignorant is fine, being positive and striving for better is fine, so long as you arnt forcing those biased ideals on others and you take the opportunities you have to learn. I suggest you look more into the realities of this world, the amazing people you speak of were amazing not jus because of thier strong will, but because they recognized the struggles of the prople around them. Not everyone can be a shiney hero, or a baddie princess or brave knight like in fairytails. Those who are brave should be commended but that does not mean that people who arnt should be looked down upon.

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okay? you say that now, but youre not actually in their situation. you can’t judge what they did- given that the world was overpowered by men’s ideologies. yes, plenty of women behind the scenes have done amazing things, but you can’t expect every single women to do the same merits, you have to be reasonable- every life is different cause (like i said) of their family, societies pressure and traditions. the vikings that you were saying, are also the 1/10000 chance that women were able to stand up, but that was most definitely not the case for everyone else. you cant compare a woman’s struggle to another. going back to the recent chapter, we need woman supporting other woman, not bringing each other down. let’s not criticize the decisions they have done, but empathize with these women- who have to deal with so much bullshit from men.

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