Prince_Lucas_Charming's Questions (6)

the stories are always the same, like an abusive household and not being able to love properly,
but most of the time the characters actions are literally what a psychopath would do, so the backstories never excuse them, ( half the time the authors dont even try making a backstory, and diagnose the ml with something )

i think a lot of the time in real life (as someone who had a terrible childhood), you become much more aware of urself and ur actions bc you know how much something affected you. for example, having been in an abusive relationship and then realizing that you are doing something similar. i would say this is a more healthy approach/mentality to have, but a lot of the time these mls/unhealthy characters have no ounce of self awareness nor emotional intelligence, and i think that’s their biggest downfall. and i get the “lonesome, cold ml” trope, but do we HAVE to have non-con/non-con themes when dealing with a person that is supposed to be rooted for, at least partly?
all of this to say, i am one to be on the part of “your broken childhood should be a reason, not an excuse”. you may have qualms/triggers from childhood that you can explore via storylines, but don’t try and excuse actions by just saying “but poor him… little guy got hurt as a kid :(

The thing my psychology teachers once told me applies here "bad childhood explains people's behavior, but it doesn't excuse it". That holds true in most cases. Like yes, I get that your bad behavior has sad origins (every bad behavior does) but the harm caused to me in the present is just as real and my experience is also valid.

By the way " my childhood was bad I'm sorry" is a very well known gaslighting technique.

I would also like to add that human behavior is not deterministic that way. Just because someone has had a bad childhood doesn't mean they have to be bad as well. Human will is very powerful. Humans have control over themselves, unlike animals. And if a person doesn't know that certain behaviours will have certain consequences, then they're emotionally immature and will drag you down with them

I get the nuance of what ur saying but it lwk rubbed me the wrong way when u said Caesar’s behavior is justified because of his tragic backstory. Nothing justifies doing that shit. It EXPLAINS it but it doesn’t justify it. When u say someone is justified to do shit like that it becomes a slippery slope of letting ppl get away with shit.

no

What is with authors giving rapist characters a tragic backstory? And no, a rapist is still a rapist. Just because a character has a tragic backstory doesn't change the fact that they did a crime. I don't care what happened in their past, they chose to rape someone. They are a criminal, and just because they have character development later on isn't going to make me like them. I hate any character who is a fucking rapist, and they can suffer. I don't give a shit

i completely agree!!

Saying someone's traumatic past justifies their current behavior spits in the faces of all the people who have had traumatic pasts and dealt with it properly and did not harm people to feel better. It's a skill issue and it doesn't justify anything.

Agreed. And it’s one thing when they have their diagnosed problem from the jump, like the ML from Love History By Willful Negligence where the ML has an actual physiological disease, but most come later with some bs we’ve never seen before.

Agreed. Our past affects our future, but at some point you becoming self aware of your actions and how wrong they are. No excuse for non-con for SURE.

You said it!!! It’s such a gaslighting move that makes the MC feel like shit if they blame the ML for their tragic past!!

Literally spitting fax And they usually non-con MULTIPLE times. Even if they grovel I still won’t forgive them so easily.

“A skill issue” But you are onto something!!

Sorry, he was the first example that came to mind. A better example is Wooyeon from Love History who has an actual physiological disease that make him unable to actually feel remorse or bad about doing awful things.

No that’s not what I’m saying. I have no issues with your example. I’m just saying that saying that a tragic backstory JUSTIFIES shitty behavior is a really bad way to put it. It doesn’t justify it, it explains it, which are two very different things.

for some reason its grown popular and normal to do that. mangago users loveeee reading and complaining about series that have themes they dont like in them from chapter 1 but are still there complaining when nothing has changed 40 chapters in.
lts fair and valid to have themes/ect u dont like and want to read, but then u need to stop reading series they're explicitly in, especially when its that series entire identity! nobody feels bad for u at that point

Agreed! If I start a manga/manhwa and a theme I REALLY don’t like is in it, I just drop it. Like, everyone can like what they like. I’m not going to complain about it, just leave. The only valid complaints are if the story is, like, actually bad or poorly paced, but a theme like age gap is so mundane that if someone doesn’t like it they should just drop it without a word!!

Honestly some of them dont even be that valid. Like one could be 17 and the other is like 20 or 21 and its not even that bad. They should be more worried if its like 17 and 25 or something

AGREED! It’s literally like a MAYBE 3-4 year difference and people are BUGGING.

haha so true. Though personally, i dont also like this trope wherein person A is minor and the other is a whole ass adult. Even in fiction, it is not my thing. But I dont judge ppl who read or enjoy this trope bc at the end of the day theyre fictional characters, theyre not real and theyre not us. Just hope ppl who hate this trope would learn how to use the back button and close the tab instead of complaining or judging readers like party pooper

I think they just want to complain to complain. When I encounter I troupe I don’t like I just leave and don’t say a thing. Everyone is entitled to like what they want, and I’m entitled to the ability to ignore it. No need to call out what someone else likes, especially over a work of fiction that isn’t hurting anyone.

totally agree with you

This idea that when you find something you dislike or hate, you should just drop it silently and let other people enjoy it. Don't say a word! This idea is so hypocritical. Especially when you have something to say about those people's complaints. You see, if you couldn't keep your mouth shut about other people's dislikes, then how do you expect them to keep their mouths shut about their dislikes? You get it? Don't say a word? But you made a whole post to talk about it? I guess everyone is entitled to like what they want, ignore what they want, but they're not entitled to dislike what they. The world must work differently for you ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Did you even read the post? OP clearly states that even if they dont like something they will continue to read it. Till the end. And continue to complain about. Calling out bs for bs isnt wrong. What is annoying though is that said person who hates that manga/hwa/hua continuing to read it and complain about it.

(Mc is teacher, ml is 18yr old student):
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hunting_game_1/

Yes, and I also read their other replies to understand where they're actually coming from. Going off the og post alone is juvenile because in their own replies they show what they mean. And the overall sentiment of this entire post is about telling people to stfu if they don't like something.

I still don't get where in any of their replies did OP mention that people should stfu and never criticise? The overall sentiment is not at all like that. There is a difference between calling out and straight up complaining.

Exhibit A: "but a theme like age gap is so mundane that if someone doesn’t like it they should just drop it without a word!!"

Exhibit B. "Everyone is entitled to like what they want, and I’m entitled to the ability to ignore it. No need to call out what someone else likes, especially over a work of fiction that isn’t hurting anyone."

To summarize for you:
Without a word!
Everyone is entitled....but no need to call out....

Op thinks everyone (including themself) should be entitled and yet in the same sentence says no need to call out? Do you not understand it when you say everyone is entitled? It means everyone, not just you and the select few you believe can say what they want. It's EVERYONE including people you disagree with. Hypocrite.

there is a difference making a general post calling out ppls BS and ppl complaining *every damn update* about the themes of series its had since chapter 1 on said series landing page.
Especially considering ppl in this thread are just pointing out hypocrisy and the pointless of it. The ppl we're talking about will be throwing horrible insults and accusations at every fan and the author. "I wish ppl would respect the 'dont like, dont read rule' is fundamentally different from someone calling the creator and fans 'abusive pdfile ect ect'.

The post calling out people's bs (the original post) is valid. It's their replies that are hypocritical. If you want to call out people's specific trash behavior, please do, just know when you start making GENERAL statements like 'don't say a word' or 'everyone is entitled except' that you're gonna get called out for being a hypocrite.

OP literally says they're not talking about actual criticism like about characterization, pacing, plot ect, they're specifically talking about the ppl who comment just to complain and insult.
If you want to be whiny because the bag labelled dead dove: do not eat has a dead dove inside it, sure I guess ur entitled to be an ass. Doesn't mean we should have to put up with ur moaning on the page of the series. Go scream into the void or vent to ur friends like ur rest of us. Hell, make a blog about it. Seems like a miserable thing to spend ur time on, but if ur doing it in ur own space at least ur not bothering anyone.
No one is going to respect ur intelligence for complaining about fork found in kitchen drawer.

But how would people complaining bother anyone if op, or you, or anyone, can simply "don't like, don't read" those comments? I mean if your logic is if you don't like something, you don't read it, then just ignore the comments? Idk, seems like the logic is flawed if you can't follow what you preach. Just don't preach it so hard, maybe you won't be a hypocrite?

And goodness, go complain elsewhere? Explain to me how a comment section works so I can understand this level of entitlement you're having.

My personal opinion, as long as the age gap isn’t 3+ years if they’re a minor, I don’t mind. If the person is 18+ though, even though they’re in high school I have no problem with any age gaps. This is also my thoughts for people who have a crush on a character, enjoy smut of them, or whatever. As long as the characters are 18+ or turn 18 at some point in the story, I don’t care if someone personally is attracted to them or if there’s an age gap. I know that’s probably a very unpopular opinion though.

But, I personally love Junjou Romantica. Misaki was 18 in high school while Usagi was 28. I do prefer season 2 and season 3 over season 1 though since Misaki is in college then.

This is my personal view on it. But I can definitely see why some other people might be uncomfortable with it.

Holy shit I love you bro bro YOU ARE NOT ALONE IN THIS

The thing that doesn’t do it for me when it’s Kim Dan is the regression as in they twinkiiee him to the point he’s not full on ugly but off to what he’s portrayed as. idk man
While we’re supposed to believe he’s pushing 30 I cant stand his face I think Dong-gyun is far prettier

Extremely hot take:
I hate both bj alex and jinx

hot take i dont find any of them attractive I still find kim dan a bit better, the guy from bj alex though is SO UGLY IM SORRY but he's so so mid esp compared to the ml there's smth about his face that pisses me off SM DUMB LOOKING ASS I'm sorry I literally dropped bj alex because of him

Mingwa TWINKIFIED DAN like he actually looked his ass until she mad him look like every manhwa bottom

Nah u're right ma poor Dan bby is too depressed all bc of that !&^*#&€@& JJk

i dont know either of them but i want to feel included so i will disagree with you on this one

I too stand by this I be hate reading !

I know you can’t see me but I’m choking myself
Torture me with a pic of twinkified Dan and I’ll spill everything

I’m so over the story I just want his ass to leave the country,..the waves shouldve taken him

Okay hear me out …in bj alex I only find him pretty in mingwa’s new style as to me not gauging my eyes out

YKNOW WHO I FOUND FUCKIN UGLY IN BJ ALEX IS THAT DYED HAIR DUDE WHOS WITH THE BDSM SEME HOLY SHIT HES SO FUGLY I CANT STAND THAT PAIR now if it was just the solo Seme without his fugly uke,,,ugh

Absolute sigma

Personally i like DG more bc he has a unique vibe to it, Dan looks rlly generic. Also dg got prettier with the art, Dan simply got twinker over time and that's it

I aspire to be like this in life (you're better off not reading either, both stories are shit)

CHANGWOO?

TAKE THAT BACK RN MY BOY AINT UGLYヽ(`Д´)ﾉ

IM SORRY BUT CHANWOO IS SO GOD DAMMMN UGLYY… TO me at least …
While myungdae is so fyne …pretty seme x ugly uke

YUP it may come as a surprise….

GASP grrrr

Now that’s more like it

no one cares(≧∀≦)

The way I do SO SPEAK FOR URSELF

*age

i care!!!!!!

I actually hated the BDSM seme too… I like dilfs but man was just ugly

AGREED! Tbh, idk what is with all the recent manhwas having really basic ukes. Like, I’m talking REALLY basic. Like, I really wanna read that one about the gamers where the seme is the buff swimmer and a barista but the office worker uke is so fucking basic I actually can’t even pretend to like him.

You aren’t missing much. I only read Jinx because I really enjoyed the story and uke of BJ Alex. I was HOPING Jinx would be able to fight the flaws BJ Alex had but story wise the author makes the same mistakes we all hated the first time.

I’m gently patting my tears with my yaoi handkerchief I too enjoy dilfs just why whyyy did it have to be paired with that uggo

Wait hold up how basic are we talking there’s this type where they look boring and have short short hair and I’m lowkey a sucker for that especially when their ml is canonically attractive gahhh my pretty x “uggo”
AHHHH WHATS THAT ONE CALLED sounds familiar
I hear your cries it’s getting harder by the day to enjoy what’s out there !

i can’t relate cause i usually like the side couples way more than the main couple

Ugh I forgot the title but there was this manhwa where the last chapter was 60% about the side couple and the main couple felt like the were just shoehorned into the chapter

Honestly more than 80% of the time people love the side couples maybe even more than the main so the authors obviously take advantage of that. The sides mostly hype the story up and give even more publicity. so I don't think we'll quit seeing it anytime soon

usually I don't care about side couples and sort of just speed read their story, but they're times like the side couple in Love So Pure, where I do enjoy them

i always prefer the side couples...

I like the side couple stories if it’s not a toxic one, if I don’t like one of the characters that was in the main story then I won’t read their story. For me to read a side couple story I have to like both characters, there is this one BL where I refused to read the side couple’s story because I didn’t like one of the characters

OMG THANK YOU!!
I hate side couples, I'm sorry. I'm not saying I hate couples other than the main couple having a romance, what I hate is when I start a story to read about the main characters, THE ONES I'M ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN, and like 40% of the screentime is about other characters. I actually like when I'm interested in a side couple and the author makes a spin-off about them, then I will read it, but I want to focus on a specific couple one at a time. I want to get a conclusion to the main story, and THEN decide whether or not find out about a side couple, not wait anxiously a week for a continuation to a cliff-hanger in the main relationship only to find out it's not even about them.
Here U Are was the perfect example to this: yes, I did like the side couples, but... the main couple (which I adore) is in a crisis and I've been waiting for months for it to be solved, JUST MOVE ON PLEASE
I thought I was alone in this because everybody seems to WANT more and more side couples in a story...
Phew that felt good

Someone in the comments finally agreed with me

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/in_the_cage/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kiraide_isasete/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kekkon_shite_kudasai/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/there_s_no_way_this_is_fate/ (actually i dont really like this one)
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kasegimasen_kara/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kozure_omega_to_boukun_yakuza/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/anti_alpha/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/i_found_you_my_omega/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/koishite_kissshite_kanjaitai/

I’m DEAD! Why would you recommend one you don’t like ???

╥﹏╥ everyone have different taste ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

the omega takes a husband