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Came from the raws and omg yall it’s so good, like top tier bl manhwa

Spoiler
- the twink ****
- blood sugar will rise
- i was right
- smut is *chefs kiss*

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TWINK

it starts with a ‘t’ and ends with an ‘s’

TITS????

TOPS?!!

HELP

It’s a new wave of yaoi readers with a savior complex. Since they’re all young and started to read this genre from such a young age, they’re easily influenced. And they think we’re all like them. So they embark on a saving quest “this topic is immoral” “they need to stop writing about this is illegal” I’m so tired of stuck up people reading BL. They’re ruining it for everybody.

Wait isn't it normal for people to be disgusted by grape? Or are you saying people shouldn't complain about grape cuz they're reading in illegal website?

oh bitch gtfo of here with your strawman arguments. go find that something else to read instead of wailing about rape in the comments here. and the word is rape btw RAPE. not grape. if you cant even say the word, then dont bother commenting like you're some morally superior UWU being who cant tolerate rape in their fictional story.

That’s what I’m tryna say, like why are they reading “fiction” in the first place? if they just gon complain. Might as well read BL’s based on true events or live actions if they want it to be ‘oh so pure’. It’s as if they don’t fkn know the difference between “fiction” and “reality”. Buncha dumbaasses i tell ya. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

Uhhh are you okay? Idk why you're so triggered by my question. Idk why you're also so bothered by the word "grape".. Is it hurting you?? I feel bad for you, hopefully you get help.

I just asked a simple question. I didn't fight (unlike you being so aggressive) IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION. IS IT FUCKING NORMAL FOR TO BE DISGUSTED BY RAPE(Changing it to rape since you're triggered by the word "grape") ? SIMPLE WOW.

This is just a fucking QUESTION. AND I DIDN'T EVEN "wailing about rape in the comments here" ?? ARE YOU OKAY??? GO FUCKING FIGHT SOMEONE ELSE WHO ARE ACTING LIKE A BITCH WHO'S EASILY PISSED OFF BY A SIMPLE QUESTION. I wish you well ngl <3 and "grape" to tease you cuz clearly you're uncomfortable when I'm uncomfortable saying the word "rape" <3

"you're some morally superior UWU being who cant tolerate rape in their fictional story." Are you fr okay??
This Sounds so stupid when I just asked a question cuz it's normal to be disgusted at something. I'm disgusted seeing poops irl AND in fictional stories. Idc if they're fiction or real, poops are disgusting. And my question can be IGNORED BTW. It's funny how you're acting like a crazy bitch here who can't take a fucking SIMPLE QUESTION THAT WASN'T EVEN MEANT TO YOU BITCH. Go somewhere else loser, this question was not meant to be asked to some loser like you. My question was SIMPLE. OP can be like "cuz it's fiction and blah blah blah" and I'll understand CUZ I'M NOT CRAZY (unlike you, bitch)

Hmm understandable, I guess those people are just so disgusted by grape so much that they need to ONLY see what they want to see and they don't care if it's fiction or reality oof.. (idk If that makes any sense) and this whole grape thing for me isnt what I like everytime I read BL but honestly I just skip those parts. they're not real people so noone is getting hurt fr ╮(￣▽￣)╭

They always arrive in the comment section to flaunt their holier than thou attitudes. Bunch of keyboard warriors. As if arguing about sexual assault here is gonna save actual real life victims in the world. Does reading about violence and murder mean we think it's alright? No! Yet that is also everywhere without people arriving to complain about it

see? it's not that hard. I mean the only ones who complain about grape in a fictional story are the ones who obviously can't separate fiction from reality. Although the line between fiction and reality is thin, it only depends on how the reader themselves interpret the story. So if they think reading about grape = glorifying grape. Then they're the ones who needs to get their heads checked because they're forgetting it isn't about real people but characters in a book. （￣へ￣）

because all they can do is complain and not put actual work into it. Instead of complaining they could be spreading awareness in the real world...make reports, threathen the author/artist to stop production...but noooo. they gon clock people in the coms of a yaoi manhwa, which btw is' in an illegal website, which they themselves also use 'illegally'...for free. Morals Smurals （￣へ￣)

hold up, threatening author/artists? for what? just making stories? wtf is wrong with you...? why are people so hardcore pro-censorship these days?
go touch grass and confront the predators in your real life - the people in places of authority who take advantage of people, that weird creepy relative in each family, etc.
creatives are not your enemy!

I think you might’ve misunderstood my point, I wasn’t saying it’s ‘hard’ to separate fiction from reality. I was just acknowledging that some readers have strong personal reactions to certain topics, even in fiction, and that’s valid for them. Everyone engages with stories differently, and while I personally just skip scenes I don’t like, I get why others might critique how heavy themes are handled. At the end of the day, it’s fiction, but discussions about it can still be meaningful (or messy, lol).

It's really fun reading comments with this type of stories(≧∀≦)

I get where you’re coming from, but this feels like a false comparison. Just because someone criticizes a trope in fiction doesn’t mean they’re obligated to be an activist IRL to ‘earn’ the right to speak up. People can multitask, they can dislike how grape is portrayed and care about real-world issues. It’s not an either/or thing.

Also, the ‘illegal site’ argument is a weird deflection. Whether someone reads legally or not doesn’t suddenly make their criticism invalid. If the trope is harmful, it’s worth discussing, regardless of where it’s posted.

That said, yeah some people in comments go overboard with performative outrage instead of having actual discussions. But dismissing all criticism as pointless just shuts down conversation that could actually lead to better storytelling

Such a privilege thing to say LOLLLL Well, I hope you get to experience it~! I meannn, just like you said how dare readers get so disgusted with rape?!???!?!?! Omggggg , it's insane!!! It's as if rape is like the norm in the genre of Yaoi!!! But... isn't it romantic tho??? Like seeing someone getting rape right. That's your thing (≧∀≦) But fear not, I don't rlly kink shame(just side eye). Oh and also, how could readers who are sensitive about rape(especially those who experience it first hand), complain about it?!?!?! How dare they!!! Authors should keep using rape, as it garners a lot of readers yk, so those readers with "moral high grand" get more mad. Likeeee, authors aren't doing it that much, and they rlly should!!

Anyways, since these readers are such sensitive babies who cannot distinguish the difference between reality and fiction, I should pray for it to happen you in irl!! Since you have no empathy, and get off of rape, hopefully it comes true<3

PFFFTTT this is argument so weak. All you want is for your little rape yaoi manhwa(your def one those creepy fujoshi/fudanshis that ppl absolutely hate) to get no hate. Cuz can you actually use ur brain?? Not everyone here has actual critical thinking(like you). In their little mind, if they see a story and every comments is just positive despite the rape(the site doesn't fucking matter, it never did. Your just butthurt your favorite rape kink manhwa is getting complaints), they will think it's normal. Don't come for me saying "b-but!!! No way anyone would do that!!" Oh yes they will. This is the same problem we have with p*rn in general. Little boys watch that sht, and then when it comes to the real world, they are confuse if a woman's body doesn't look like those p*rnstars. Now again, don't use the argument "that's not possible!! B-because.. they will grow and mature up, and realize that reality is different" CUZ NO. The fact that they have a community that have the same opinion, blaming women for not having the "perfect" body, and are stupid forever. That's literally something that could happen when they see rape in almost every popular BL. But if course, you will never actually use ur 2 braincells to agree with this, cuz in your little mind, this is still an illegal site and boohoo your fav fap material is getting complaints.

Got cut off, I meant to say "the fact that they have a community of ppl with the same opinions, blame women of not having the "perfect" body, always stay stupid forever. Cuz they got each other, they will never realize it's wrong. That's literally why it never fucking mattered where ppl complained."

Damn you should write a whole book with all these paragraphs and delusions youre putting in my mouth and the “I hope you get to experience it”… telling someone you hope for them to get raped before proceeding to preach about morals is crazy work!…..but doesn’t that kind of defeats your whole point? Hm oh well i have nothing else to say.

My first point gets proven every time. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Im not saying it’s not open for discussion nor invalidating their opinions. NOR glorifying grape. My point was despite the glaring “TRIGGER WARNINGS” the obvious fkn “SEXUAL ASSAULT” tags on the fkn descriptions. People still read the fkn thing and THEN proceed to complain about it in the comms. Like they know it was GON be BAD and they still complaining when it IS bad. They knew what they read. They could’ve just ignored the fkn thing and leave it for dead that way it won’t get traction. But NO that’s why we’re here in the first place because we read the thing even though we knew or even has an inclination of where it would go based on the comms. If you think my actions are bad whoever read the stupid thing is fkn the same. That’s why i yell hypocrites’.

Deadass, learn to distinguish sides.

Says you LMAOOOOOOO sorry, but I'm not here spreading my hatred for ppl kink shaming me~ I ain't the one with a rape kink! And yes, you do deserve to experience it. Cuz clearly, your so obsessed with ppl having problems with it. Yk what they say, you truly need to experience it first hand for you to understand it. Some ppl(like you), need a little pushing. And no, I didn't come here preaching about morals, but more so about how idiotic your argument is. And don't you love it how I predicted it, I knew this is how you were gonna respond, cuz yk I'm damn right PFFFTTT

And get ur Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint pfp off, nobody accepts a rape kink fujoshi/fudanshi like you in our fandom. You ain't welcome here, go back to other shtty sites that have nothing but hentai about men fucking each other, and ofc, as always your favorite kink, RAPE I'm sure you will find ur community!! Go go go, you rape kink lover!!

Ahh, ofc you have "Raising Beta" in ur "Currently Reading (Good shit)" list LOLLL u rlly do love rapey manhwas huh? Must be falling that sht every night PFFFTT

being so happy with telling someone to get raped is pretty hardcore ngl. don’t worry i support your mental illness, the psych ward needs a new patient after all (〜￣u￣)〜

stalking? oh she a fan WBK (▰˘◡˘▰)

It’s funny how you keep tryna ragebait me but everytime you do i just can’t help but laugh because of how stupid you sound rn. Like lmaooo cry about it ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

I notice we've moved past discussing the 'illegal site' point, which is interesting because that was a key part of this conversation. If we're going to have a productive discussion about tropes in BL, it's important to address all aspects raised - not just the ones that are easier to argue. The platform where content is read doesn't change whether a trope's portrayal is problematic or not, which is why I believe we should focus on that more substantial discussion.

About the tags and warnings point, I agree readers should respect content warnings and avoid stories they know will upset them. But tags alone don't resolve the bigger conversation about how these themes are handled. A 'sexual assault' tag tells us *what* happens, but not how it's portrayed, whether it's romanticized, critically examined, or just used for shock value. That 'how' is what actually deserves discussion.

For example:
- A story might tag rape but handle it with nuance, showing realistic trauma and consequences
- Another might use the same tag but frame it as a love catalyst, which is what many understandably criticize

The tag warns us the topic exists, but readers still have valid reasons to critique its execution. That's not hypocrisy, it's engaging critically with media. If we only ever said 'you clicked on it, no complaints allowed,' we'd never have important conversations about improving representation in the genre.

That said, you're right that some people leave unproductive hate instead of thoughtful criticism. There's definitely a difference between saying 'this trope is harmful because X' versus just ranting after ignoring tags. Maybe the solution is pushing for better discussions, not no discussions at all?

Well pardon me for me limited vocabulary, ms ‘morally upright and correct’. Like other people i am also entitled to my opinion. This my comment box first. You guys found fault with that. And i merely gave you the discussion you desperately wanted from me. You keep mentioning the illegal website but is not what i say true? I was merely using it as a medium/as an example of hypocrisy. You’re the one who took it to heart wrongly in the first place. Because you yourself also know that it is wrong.

Hypocrisy — the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.

Morals — conforming to a standard of what is right and good. moral implies conformity to established sanctioned codes or accepted notions of right and wrong. the basic moral values of a community.

If you are morally good and is ethically correct then what are you doing at an illegal website? Shouldn’t you be preaching on the official one instead?

To talk and preach about morals when you yourself is committing an unmoral act. Is it not an act of hypocrisy? What is it then?

Again i DID NOT stop any discussions from happening NOR DO I glorify grape. I merely called yall hypocrites. Solely on the FACT that you are reading on an ILLEGAL WEBSITE and is trying to preach about MORALS. When in truth a person WITH actual MORALS would do NO SUCH THING.

Let’s autopsy this trainwreck of an argument:

1 ’I was just pointing out hypocrisy’
→ Cool, except you’re USING the illegal site TOO. So by your own definition, you’re ALSO a hypocrite. Congrats, you played yourself.

2 ’You’re preaching morals!’
→ Quote where I said I was ‘morally good.’ Oh wait—you can’t. Because my argument was *always about WRITING TROPES, not morality. You invented a fake stance to attack because you’ve got nothing else.

3 ‘Why aren’t you on official sites?!’
→ Irrelevant. Whether I read legally or not doesn’t change:
- Rape tropes can still be criticized
- Your logic is still hypocritical
- You’re still dodging the actual discussion

The Real Issue You Keep Avoiding:
No one here claimed moral superiority, YOU did. All I said was:
- Tags don’t make tropes immune to critique
- Your ‘illegal site’ rant was a deflection*
- You’re guilty of the hypocrisy you accused others of

Let’s make this simple, since you keep missing the point:

1. I never ‘preached morals’ you invented that to dodge the actual discussion.
- My comment was about why people criticize rape tropes in fiction, not ‘morality.’
- You’re the one obsessed with ‘illegal sites’ and ‘moral high ground’ projection much?

2. Your ‘hypocrite’ claim backfires on YOU.
- If reading illegally voids opinions, then your rants are just as ‘invalid.’
- You’re using the same site while acting superior, that’s the REAL hypocrisy.

3. Stay on topic:
- The debate was about tropes, not piracy.
- You switched the goalposts because you can’t defend romanticized rape in BL.

You’re yelling about ‘morals’ nobody brought up (except you) to avoid admitting your logic is garbage. Try harder.

Heyy, don't group me with someone who has a rape kink!! I may be cruel to those who deserve it, but cut me slack~ Still manifesting tho!! You'll def get to experience it, trust!! I'm sure you will get off of it!

"stalking" and it's just one click and scrolling PFFFTTT, man this is too hilarious. And yessss, I love how you never gave any counter argument HAHAHAHAHHA just rlly proves ig~ Keep on going!! We both very know you can't give any actual good defense. You must be watching videos from charlie Kirk! He's rlly good with dodging questions, and has sooo many fallacies when it comes to debates.

Keep them coming rape lover!! Keep them cominggg~

And omg, I'm sure you'd also cummed from the rape scenes on this manhwa WAIT HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

That's disgusting honestly omfggg, nah nah LOLLL

You’re yelling about ‘morals’ nobody brought up (except you) to avoid admitting your logic is garbage.
By that I mean, I(as in ME) didn't brought it up. And you keep talking about morals.

Omgah, noooo waaaayy??? I was ragebaitinggg?? To a rape lover?!?!?! How could I!! Well I meannn, you better come up a better defense. I'm still waiting btw! And HELPP, it's ironic how you call me stupid but your over here getting ur ass dragged, and still have no actual defense PFFFTTT

Let's see if this fandom can accept someone like you!! I mean, I'm sure there's gonna be a bad apple in the fandom, so ig you have those ppl!! Rape lovers uniting aw ;-;

OOOOHHH YOU ATE THEM UPPP HELPPPP

"Again i DID NOT stop any discussions from happening"

That's a big fat lie
You literally said:
"if you hate it just take it up with the author/artist. If not just leave. no need to bring up discussions that obviously only caters to your tastes"

Now you’re claiming you DID NOT stop any discussions?? Pick one.

If you actually supported discussion, you wouldn’t be telling people to just leave instead of engaging. Stay consistent

HAHAHHAAH isn't it hilarious how they aren't even giving actual defense??? I'm telling you, these rape lovers should rlly start experiencing it themselves. Like srsly, I rlly do believe the saying that some ppl r too privilege to ever sympathize with ppl's traumas or even see anything wrong with it. I'm just gonna guess that this person is a veryyyyy young child. How unfortunate that their brain has alrdy rotted :/

OOFFFF HAHAHHA WAITTT, do u also have experience with debates?? You are so hard omfg

Ate*

YOU ATEEEE

OOO, DID THEY BLOCK ME??

The morals topic was obviously not directed to you in the first place but more of a generalization, but you intercepted it and made it about you.

Critique? It’s fine if they actually criticize the work. But reading the tags and descriptions and then proceeding to whine about it in the comms with “grape grape” instead of a fullblown analysis is not a ‘critique’ but a ‘complain’

“You’re guilty of hypocrisy “ This guilt you say does not apply when i know I’m not a morally upright person cuz duh obviously im reading on an illegal website and so are you. That’s literally why i used that word in the first place.

Phew they didn't! Mangago be bugging, chill out mangago (づ￣ ³￣)づ I'm just having fun wrecking this rape lover

You love me fr, I don’t tho ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

I never seen someone talk about morals so much when I never brought up morals in the first place.. I'm just talking about why people complain about grape in stories.

I don't believe people will actually like grape in stories, but now... I feel like they're just press people are actually complaining about a story they like Σ( ￣□￣||) Which idm tbh, like you be you.

Lmao okay, let's cut the bullshit:

1) You were ALL about calling people hypocrites and moral preachers now suddenly it's just a generalization? Nah, you got called out and are backpedaling.

2) Since when do people need to write a whole essay to say grape plots are fucked up? Basic criticism is still valid, you're just mad they don't like what you like.

3) Your whole I know I'm trash too act doesn't change that you tried using the illegal site thing to dismiss others WHILE DOING THE SAME SHIT. That's the definition of hypocrisy, whether you admit it or not.

4) Let's be real, you don't actually care about piracy. You're just salty people hate grape plots and grabbed the first weak excuse to shut them up.

Next time just say you like problematic shit and go, at least that'd be honest.

I FEEL U!!! （/TДT)/

frr likee, does anyone have any recommendations with the same trope?

I also feel he raised him with pure intentions. Sure, he had this longing for the adult Alois but he begun raising him with legit curiosity of "why older me loves this guy?" Then it was as you said, he did his best to keep distance and set him free.