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What do you mean by healthy-ish? Trying to c if I should read this :3

Well, if you compare this with boundary of delusion, this is healthy 10000x. But there’s still a small element of manipulation in this, but the story makess it “cute” that if fits the usual non-toxic BL story

Yh Boundary of Delusion is p bad with mc using coercion to get himself laid lol. Well, I’ll check it out, thanks for the info!

coercion? last I checked the uke (I forget names so easily) willingly got involved in that type of deal on his own accord? Sure there was some sort of blackmail or whatever, but the bottom got involved by his own decision….dont think calling it coercion is right tbh

It’s been awhile since I last read it, but the start of their relationship didn’t seem the most consensual. Sure he agreed and everything, but he was only doing so bcs he didn’t want his partner(the twink) to get hurt anymore. Plus, he was super reluctant too. Idk, whatever it was, in any normal circumstance, he wouldn’t have consented. Maybe coercion is too harsh of a word, but either way he was manipulated and gaslit into the agreement.

I think tbf he’s not really right in the mind either since he went along with everything even after finding out his so called partner was “cheating on him” although I can’t quite remember, dunno if they were even dating, but I think they were more so just seeing each other- and bro was willing to have sex with someone to prevent that same guy from sleeping with his partner… he’s deffo a bit odd himself imo. Although the point that there was manipulation involved is valid, I’d still say that the uke was woke in his decision and wasn’t really coerced, but there’s no point in deeping it since this isn’t even wholly about TBoD

Honestly? Ml is lowkey dumb lol. I understand not being used to those kinds of sexual preferences, but he MUST know some people like it rough Also they weren’t exclusive, so perhaps just fwb?

Yeah pretty sure he found out that the trunk was some sort of masochist that kinda liked it rough and sometimes painful, then still continued to try have sex with the same guy who was rough with the twink… under the pretense of it benefitting his “relationship” with the twink….
Sorry if I had a lot to say, just thought that some people in the TBoD comments were hating on mc bad and victimising uke so bad for no reason when he clearly decided to enter the deal himself, woke and (technically speaking) not even manipulated or coerced.

No worries lol, weird that we’re talking abt a whole other bl here tho I think the least weird character is the twink, even tho everyone hates him. He’s just a hoe and there’s no need to slut shame him lmao, he’s not even officially dating ml so he’s not even cheating. But him being fake is what’s up w him. Mc is p shitty tho ngl and ml is just dumb to think he can “protect” the twink when he never asked/wanted to.

You’re like « sure there was blackmail or whatever but it wasn’t coercion ». Blackmail IS coercion. Like, just look at the definition bro. Whether he’s stupid or not (he IS stupid), it was still coercion. How can someone willingly get involved in a situation after getting blackmailed ? If there was no blackmail, then sure, it would have been a decision they’d BOTH agreed on, but he was against it at first if it wasn’t for the blackmail, and it’s literally because of the blackmail that it was coercion.

Nah I’m just saying that muhyeok (?) literally said that if he has sex with him he’ll stop seeing the twink….did he force him into the deal? No. Was he under the influence of anything? No. He was completely woke in his decision of trying to be a hero for his partner, whom he’d found out was having sex with someone else….like you can’t tell me he was coerced into the deal… he just wasn’t really right in the head and accepted the deal (normal people in that kind of situation would have ended things with the twink, not accept an offer to sleep with someone in exchange for them to stop sleeping with their fwb partner….lbsr where was the coercion??)
And my bad, I didn’t mean that there was blackmail yet no coercion, I admit I worded it wrong since I didn’t wanna sound like I was 100% on muhyeok’s side or anything. Sure he definitely wasn’t in his right mind and was a bit of an amber/red flag in suggesting what he did, but I just wanted to make a clear point of how it wasn’t blackmail or coercion, but a preposition was made and the bottom weirdly agreed to it… really can’t argue that I’m wrong with this perspective because if you’re thinking about it realistically, there’s honestly not.

I just reread the chapter again and yeah, you’re actually super right lmao. Even if there’s a bit of manipulation, he still agreed to the proposition on his own accord. I think it’s because of the top is taking advantage of his stupidity/“naivety” that most people (including myself) think it’s blackmail. But yeah, realistically speaking, he should have cut the bullshit off. Even the top was surprised that he actually agreed on it BUT even if he’s not a saint, I still pity him cause he’s being manipulated by TWO people and even if he agreed to the proposition, he still got raped

Yeah point being, it wasn’t very consensual. Even the MC himself was like this didn’t feel like sex or something like that on their first round. It was suuuppper uncomfy

Exactly! I knoooow right, even chapter 20 was super awful, like the dude literally fainted because his rectum got perforated (and of course he had begged to stop in vain) and even though he was unconscious the other dude just kept going until the end It was horrible

Even the title of the chapter was like this is going too far (in the fan translation)

Yeah yeah that’s true to be fair but we’ll have to see how it progresses and see what the bottom does about it (whether he’s still delusional about wanting to be with twink or faces reality and recognises the fact that he’s not right in the head and ends up liking the mc)

Nah I think in that context it was more so cause the bottom was the one who’d personally decided to accept the preposition only to act like someone who’d been forced to accept it and the mc didn’t like that cause he felt as though he was raping him, although the bottom agreed to it on his own accord… I do agree it got rapey when he continued (later on) while bottom passed out but tbf it wasn’t from the get-go and continually wasn’t except on that occasion…
Idk though and this discussion has gotten so dragged out bless funnier that this isn’t even the comment section of TBoD

Lmao in the middle of this, I was thinking what are we even doing creating such a long tread over a whole other manwha that has nothing to do w this manwha

exactly lmao
let’s also not forget that we’re arguing to prove a point about people who aren’t even real

nanjo is the only one who doesn’t/didn’t have any malicious intent going in to all this. when it comes to motives he is literally the only one who is innocent. being dumb isn’t the same as actively trying to screw over other people for your own amusement - i think it’s fine to dislike nanjo and stuff but acting like he’s just as bad as everyone else is massive cope (unless it turns out he was 3d chessing this entire thing, but we don’t have evidence of that so far)

Exactly

he's definitely the only good one here but he's got connections and if he wanted to do something/help the twink he could've. People like him aren't easily manipulated. So it's either he has a motive too or the author just didn't think that the man in his position wouldn't be in a situation like that in the first place.

Yes you're just biased towards the light haired dude

This! I’m not saying he’s as bad as the two, but he’s definitely not innocent. People paint him as naive or stupid enough to be easily manipulated but, I think he’s smart enough to know what he’s doing and that he can uno reverse everything or whatever. I may be stereotyping him under the “CEO/boss” archetype but I just refuse that his character is just this dumb pushover. Unless the author intends for his character to be just that.

I don’t dislike him btw, I just don’t understand why some people feel sorry for him. He knows exactly what he’s doing and I think I just have this high expectation from a character just like him to not be stupid.
As far as intent goes, malicious or not, if we compare it to crime (lol) it’s like saying murder vs homicide - huge difference but still guilty altogether.

what you guys are doing now is pushing your preconceived notions of who the character is rather than seeing what he’s actually done in the manhwa. again, i said that im NOT assuming he’s 3d chessing it and is actually aware of everything thats going on, as there’s nothing in the manhwa or even the novel tags (the korean tags at least) that *concretely* says he is. that’s your own interpretation, not everyone else’s. being like ‘oh he’s a ceo he shouldn’t be this dumb that’s not realistic’ also doesn’t make sense because this manhwa would be 1 chapter long if we were going off of realism. you can’t selectively choose what should be realistic and what is okay to be dramatized.

and you asked why people are more sympathetic to nanjo despite them ‘committing the same crime’. well in your own example, if someone kills someone because they were trying to save themselves from being raped versus killing someone because they’re a maniac and love to kill, who do you think the general public are going to be more sympathetic to? apply that same logic here and you’ll see why more people like nanjo

*manhwa tags, i wrote novel by accident lol

ngl i think this is just a poorly written story lol
and there's nothing wrong with making assumtions/guesses while reading something, it would be boring otherwise, I think we'll get his pov next season anyway
I won't be replying to other things you mentioned because it wasn't my opinion, but thank you for this diskussion))

well i do have to agree with you that this is a poorly written story lol, i guess my lack of faith in the plot is what makes me think that we should take nanjo’s actions at face value lmao

i really don’t understand people who think this is a masterpiece lol

I guess I am just used to what me and my friends do. We tend to analyze, profile and predict characters’ actions to add more excitement for future chapters/episodes. And Nanjo here with that straight laced, aloof face of his is a fun character to have assumptions on. And I didn’t base my assumptions from reality, it’s the ceo stereotype I usually see from ither manhwas/ mangas.

And I’m not saying he’s as bad as the other two. They each have their shtty sides - to a different extent of course. So I still think he’s not as innocent as what people say he is. BUT, I get your point.

We are all literally just the same person

sauce to mokyeon?

If you have The Ghost’s Nocturne or Night Song on your list, then, you must really be my alter ego. Lol

The Boundary of Delusion

All 4 lmao. Let's goooo.
How about beware of the full moon in march?

Oh no. I haven’t read it yet. But it’s on my list

When is the next upload? :)

It's not the cervix... Its his colon TT~TT men butts only go so far before reaching the colon but I still agree, it got me too cause that's a solid 11 inches up there 0~0

I know it’s not the cervix. But clearly they drew one. There is no such structure in the entire length of the colon.

it's BL. this BL anatomy (I love anatomy)

Ikr. It took me aback

Lmao