Okay ignore the name of the topic (though 97% is indeed true) I’m in terrible, aching, painful, desperate need for a BL that’s kinda toxicz but like I don’t want the same storyline of a twink getting emotionally and sexually abused because his parents are useless and left a mountainous debts on his ass.
I want a somewhat toxic BL with a bottom that’s masculine/manly and has some backbone, like I’m begging for him to at least have a few bones in his back and is not a total yes-man towards the top and lets him have a taste of his medicine from time to time!! Also bonus if the top reeaaaaaaaaaallllyyyyyyy suffers along the way. Like dear god I hope I’m not asking for much *cries cry cry & dies*
this fits!! its got a lot of angst, but their rs isn't really toxic? like at least towards the end
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/incidentally_dyed_by_spring_s_love/
The side couple from https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/cherry_complex/ S3 is exclusively focused on them. both of them have extremely questionable morals. masc and angry bottom.
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/after_killing_you/ toxic / horror with larger and older bottom (he also sucks though)
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/samurai_omega_to_akutoku_shachou/ this might not satisfy the "fighitng back" criteria bc it's omegaverse and you know how that goes
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/takatora_and_the_omegas/ still ongoing but like extremely good. the top suffers for sure (though in the first chapter he's on the bottom, and the actual bottom is pretty twinky but he has a backbone for sure)
im tired of 5 feet femboys dominating my page. there’s a time and place called my bed BUT IM TIRED OF THESE SKINNY THIGHED FLAT ASSED TWINKS!!!! someone recommend me a manhwa/manga/whatever fiction that contains manly men duking it out like pls im begging for any kind of 6 feet muscular man taking it up the tiny sphincter yes I have the greed that they warn about in the bible yes I want to see big men get man handled (bonus if the bottom has black hair like yessir)
HAVE U READ THIS
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/flashlight/
I got u
The demon leader's lover
High clear
Eat me up my husband
Holiday
Amaregulus
Lucky paradise
Shutline
Full volume
Under the green light
Exotic love
Plaything
Delivery complete
Love plan
Wet sand
I got caught up in a magical youth
Misunderstanding
Forget cleaning
Dear 00
The best luck of my life
Swallow you whole
And please enjoy my list https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangalist/2643651/

There’s two types of fans in BL and actively consume BL like a hamster in a wheel that I hate the most.
You have your puritan BL fans. Fans who religiously read shonen ai and look down upon other BL fans who choose to diversify their reading lists with perhaps questionable Yaois. These types of fans harass normal BL fans and get off waving around their pristine record of just cute and fluffy BLs like that automatically will make them a runner up for the Nobel prize. Nobody cares about what you read, or how a good boy/girl you are.
Imma slander the anti-puritan BL fans too bruh I want all the smoke. I am SO tired of these “anti-woke” BL fans who cheer on the most disgusting pieces of media ever showcased on a digital page just cause it’s a BL. Those fans that shame you and call you a “snowflake” and make fun of you for being “soft” just cause you can’t read a man getting gangbanged.
I know both groups are reactionary to what either groups convey but ffs let me just read BL without having to brandish my intellectual moral compass or be humiliated for even having one!!! Phew I am so bored
pretty sure im part of the first group, but i get what u mean. but like, it's not that i find people who read questionable stuff disgusting right away or anything. sometimes (a lot actually) i read trashy bls too. the ones i hate are the people who start whining the minute someone says the rape / abuse was unnecessary, or way too graphic, or is obviously fetish material for the author. they'll start calling others weak for not liking rape. they'll say well, fuck off and don't read it then. which is fair if somebody is complaining and yet keeps reading (jinx fans its yall), but the comment section is literally there for u to voice out ur opinion. according to them, if theres a rape scene in a "dark" manhwa, it's okay to call it hot, but not okay to call it disgusting or unnecessary (esp since we know it's usually not needed). I'm yapping a lot but yeah. when I'm reading a trashy bl & I see people shitting on it, I don't get butthurt over it. like ik it's shitty, and I'll just like or dislike the comment and move on. it's that easy. replying to every single person and telling them to drop it cuz they don't like ONE specific thing or scene is insane behavior.
you are absolutely correct gojos cock sleeve. like how one side of the coin is bad, the other side is equally as bad. I’ve been on both sides and now I’m just so tired of there being a total left and a total right (this not about politics btw) arguing about which is worse like both of you are just as annoying. Generally, I’m just weary of people who use BL to make a statement about how morally upright they are or how edgy, cool, unfazed they can be. So I completely and wholeheartedly agree with u on this!! everyone has their own takes & they can be trash or good, but sincerely, they gotta stop harassing each other over it
also adding to say you are describing exactly the kind of anti-puritan BL fans I hate the most who take it too far with defending some of these degenerate BLs like it’s their full time job. someone’s allowed to not like a trashy BL and call it trashy, but you literally don’t need to start shaking ur fist in rage and blowing up their comments with threats
nice takes. i like them even as an anti puritan BL fan. just read what u want at the end of the day
queen thank you. that’s the message I want to convey. whether a BL is controversial, whether it’s fluffy and cutesy, just keep hustling, read bl, AND ENJOY THEM!!
I'm thankful i'm not part of any of the two cause I read everything I can Fluffy, angst, questionable stories, manhwa, manhua, mangas. That's why I get your point, sometimes I read bl stories that are very questionable and I saw some comments saying (paraphrase) *I don't know how people enjoy reading this sh*t* Or like how the readers are also bad for reading or continuing reading stories with rape. Like why do they care? Does me reading those stories affect them in any way?*
i fall somewhere in between these two extremes cause i like enjoying the best of both of these. but yeah i've seen readers from both sides go off their rockers to defend themselves/attack others. like cmon guys, play nice. lets put the concept of parallel play into practice...