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Another yaoi trash where they're trying to tell you that a boytoy or girltoy is more important than family, that they should be always be treated kindly, given endless benefit of the doubt and accomodated no matter how grossly defective they may be but you should subject everyone else, even your family, to the harshest, most unrelenting scrutiny. They're trying to indoctrinate you with the poison that family is always the problem, never you and definitely never your pet, and being yourself is about abandoning your family and putting a stranger over everything and everyone else just because you have the hots for them. This is another one of those garbage romances that is polluted with the idea that you stick with your hoe (note: hoe is meant to gender neutral here) no matter what but only keep family and friends around if they're perfect at all times. These people act as if anything you do for friends and family is a favour but a lowly sexual relationship has a natural claim to your utmost care and effort. When any healthy, intelligent person would instinctively know that it's supposed to be the other way around.

One of the very few areas that I concede that less advanced societies are better than us in is the understanding of interpersonal relationships. They understood that kinships were the most important and essential human bonds and gave them the position of primacy. With friendships and alliances following right behind. Sexual relationships were looked down upon and treated as a frivolity as they should be. They had it right. This mate control, parasocial stalker level
insanity should be limited to the shamed and shadowed corners of culture but unfortunately, it's overflowed out of the fringes and polluted even the mainstream.

The comments are being plagued by people crying about fiction and the age gap of a fucking doodle. They reek of new gen fujo my god

finally a twink uke

These are why I gathered from review and novel, I couldn’t find rest of chapter after chapter 80 so I had to use MTL. And yeah Hong Lian was more shittt in the novel:

Reviewer said:

it's just pretend play, ML NEVER slept with him. Red lotus guy likes Song so he is jealous of MC bcos of him. Not bcos of the North King. They will be the secondary couple later.

Hong Lian (ch 73 debut):
Less than 3 days later, the details of Emperor Ye’s secret plan appeared in a letter to Zhenbei Wang.

Zhenbei Wang took one look and then tossed the letter in the brazier. A pair of brightly coloured hands appeared from behind to wrap around him.

“My Lord, it’s late. You’ve been busy the whole day, isn’t it time to rest? Let me help you relax.”
A flirtatious beauty clung to Zhenbei Wang. The voice was clearly that of a man, but the words were more charming than what any woman could say, but not to the point of being disgusting. 

Zhenbei Wang grabbed his hand, and spun around to pin him down on top of the bed.

(Ch 74) “How bizarre that the Lord discarded a beauty like you in this lonely place and became a frequent guest of mine-”

(Ch 75) “I was invited by the Princess Consort to steal the Lord’s favor from you. We’ll see each other often in the future. I hope Concubine Yin can take good care of me.”

“Then let me explain it. Princess Consort found me to serve the Lord. So during this time I’ve been taking care of him. The Lord is really forceful, even I have a hard time taking it every night. Right now my back is still hurting.”

“When you were sitting on the steps just now, you were waiting for the Lord, right? Look at this pitiful face of yours. Don’t wait anymore. With my meticulous care, he probably won’t think about you for a while~”

After saying this, and under the murderous look of Song Qing, Hong Lian walked away with a sway of his butt. As he walked, he hummed a little tune. “It was supposed to be a strong opponent, but turns out it’s just a fool with a good body~ How boring.”

Hong Lian’s sigh could be heard from far away, as if it was purposefully said for Shen Yu to hear.

(Ch 77) “Do you see this? This is the jade ring that the Lord gave me this morning for satisfying him.” Hong Lian lifted his left thumb, and indeed there was a top-quality jade ring on it. Hong Lian tilted it toward the light and admired it with glee.

Hong Lian sneered in disdain, “Of course, a mute can’t openly ask for rewards. You’ve been with the Lord for a while now, you must have gotten something worth money from him? Let’s admire it! You have to take advantage of when men are in the throes of desire to bring up your requests, they’ll agree for sure!”

“But also you can’t talk, I wonder what it’s like when the Lord is bedding someone who’s silent. Even if he beds you to death you can’t yell. Any moaning must sound really dry, the Lord really likes my cries.”

(Ch 78) “Are you an idiot?” Hong Lian asked rudely, “You must know all about Zhenbei Wang’s past love affairs? All of those boy toys and concubines were hopelessly devoted to him. And have you seen Zhenbei Wang miss any of them after they died one after the other? What makes you think you’re better than any of them?”

“How would I dare to run rampant like this if I didn’t already have the Lord’s permission? The Lord said that if I liked it, then I could take it back to my room. Master Song, your rank isn’t high enough, right? Can you protect your little master?”

Hong Lian took out Zhenbei Wang’s command, and seeing Song Qing’s speechlessness, he let out a cold laugh and continued. “And these charcoal braziers. My place is too cold. He’s too sickly to recover anyway, take them away!”
Two servants weren’t enough to move even the charcoal braziers away, so Hong Lian shouted for ten more people. Not long after that, Song Hua Pavilion sat emptied.

(Ch 81) It was cool at night, and Shen Yu got up. He wanted to go to Bingxin Pavilion to look again, but Bingxin Pavilion was very remote, and Shen Yu couldn't remember the way. Shen Yu is most familiar with the road, even with his eyes closed, he can walk over.

The study room was still lit with lamps, and it was as bright as daylight inside. Two figures were reflected on the window, one was shaking violently above, and the other was panting and panting below.

(Ch 82) Honglian's groaning sound is really pleasant to listen to. When King Zhenbei goes deep, he sings like a song, and when King Zhenbei speeds up, he chirps like a bird, always matching the emotional ups and downs of King Zhenbei.

Shen Yu didn't know how long she stood outside, one side of her body was numb, and the people inside died down after the final sprint.

Honglian's voice was lazy, with a hoarseness after being satisfied with love affairs. “My lord, my family saw Concubine Yin today, she seems to have lost her soul, don't you feel distressed?".

"Humph.”

King Zhenbei didn't answer directly, as if he did something, which made Honglian cry out.

“How are you, my lord...” Hong Lian’s voice was unsteady, "After all, he was your former favorite, you are really so cruel, and you are not tempted by him at all?

His doubts were easily resolved. It turned out that in King Zhenbei's heart, he had always been a lowly slave, and he was also delusional, restless, trying to seduce Emperor Ye to climb to a higher branch.

"Then, my lord, do you like the slave family more, or do you prefer Shen Yu more?".

"At this moment, I naturally like you a lot.”

(Ch 83) After Shen Yu fled back to Shaohua Courtyard, in the study, King Zhenbei had grabbed Honglian lustfully and pressed him under his body, but suddenly stopped, and glanced sideways at the dark outside.

(The AFTER Shen Yu left makes me think ML knew Shen Yu was there and was lustful just to show. But it doesn’t make sense still, that he and Hong Lian were having sex before Shen Yu came. uuugh)

"My lord~ what's the matter?"

Hong Lian was already hungry and thirsty, and her two long straight legs hooked around King Zhenbei's waist, and took the initiative to meet him.

"Nothing, you go back.'.
King Zhenbei got up, grabbed his robe, Honglian put on the clothes in astonishment, and was driven out of the study by King Zhenbei inexplicably.

Ew I'm not reading this uke looks like a child

I'm so fucking tired of the semes being rapists. Do authors not know that they can make a ml intimidating without the need for sexual assault?! I'm starting to believe that some of this authors actually enjoy writing and drawing tape scenes.

i fucking hate fujoshis

I'm reading the novel and I honestly feel so bad for my babygirl Sha Nain. Sha Amon TAMPERS with his memory like yall said. Amon knows he is so sensitive and soft-hearted, because of that he gets easily distressed/depressed so he has to go through 'rituals' that make him dazed for a week to go back to his normal self. My heart aches whenever he feels like he doesnt remember things, even when Gwen, that doesnt know abt it, asked him about a past conversation+ after the ritual–Nain doesnt remember..!.!!. My heart,, its breakingg

The reason this debate keeps happening is because BL, like any genre, has a complicated relationship with dark themes. Some readers see grape in stories and immediately think it’s romanticizing abuse, especially when it’s used as a cheap way to force ‘romance’ between characters. Others argue it’s just fiction, and exploring messed-up scenarios doesn’t equal endorsing them. Both sides have valid points, but instead of discussing it constructively, people end up attacking each other.

What’s weird is the hostility toward people who don’t like the trope. Disliking grape plots doesn’t make someone ‘too sensitive’ or ‘a moralizing hypocrite’ it just means they want better storytelling or don’t enjoy that kind of content. At the same time, readers who ddo engage with dark fiction shouldn’t be accused of ‘supporting rape.’ Fiction is complex, and everyone consumes it differently.

The real issue isn’t the trope itself, it’s how it’s written. If it’s handled with depth (like exploring trauma or consequences), fine. But if it’s just shock value or lazy drama, of course people will criticize it. Instead of fighting over who’s ‘right,’ maybe we should push for more nuanced discussions—and better writing

I don't understand people who say the author is losing money with piracy, people read pirated content because they don't have the means to afford the content, the author isn't losing any money because people weren't going to buy it anyway...because they don't have money for it.

Why am I seeing 14 yr olds arguing over noncon in an overtly, fetish smut webtoon/manhwa. Like I definitely understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, and that's completely fine, but cussing out anyone who enjoys this or is old enough to understand that this is just fetish content for gyual dem' that are into cnc is a bit crazy to me.

Like respectfully, this is an 18+ smut webtoon with a clear audience in mind. Again it's fine to get annoyed to stumble upon a common trope u don't like, but the material itself containing noncon is never that serious(the 18+ is right there and it's clear as day majority if not all the commenters are are not of age). Also, what's up with slut-shaming in comments but calling others a pick me???

It is physically impossible for men to squirt. I'm not just saying this because I'm old-fashioned, scientifically men are not capable of squirting. They do not have any organs that would cause them to squirt.

Men can cum until it's quite watery, but it's not anything like peeing yourself. It's still cum. Men can also lose control of their bladders when having anal sex because of the pressure on the bladder.

I'm so tired of these authors constantly making their bottoms like women! They even give them the characteristics of a female body, one of the most obvious ways is by making them squirt but it happens in other ways as well. This is a story about romance and love between men and I want to read about men.

dropped this after the artstyle change im sorry its just so ugly

Incest is ok as long as u dont have kids

I don't know if I would call what happened in chapter two assault but citing the comment anyway. Why every time a character who was a victim of assault and has a monologue blaming himself or trying to minimize the fact you think that the author is minimizing, condoning or normalizing it? like, do you know the levels of sexual aggression that women suffer in japan?

when male authors write fucked up shit everyone tries to find deep meaning to it (ahem eroguro)

so why when women write the same shit you guys instantly jump to the worst ‘she is normalizing, promoting, condoning’ when they are actually the ones who will experience it at least one time in their lives, they have the right to play with it, they are not appropiating a experience that don’t belong to them, its a daily fear for them. the fact that some prefer to see this as someone using us for ‘weird shit’ instead of an instance to share experiences because queer/gay men also have high levels of assault is just so ?! to me

is not that you Have to like problematic stories, but there is a really visible pattern. When men use women to write problematic stories people's reaction is always something like 'ok, this is disgusting, but isn't it interesting how you can interpret this as..’ but when women who are most likely to live these problematic things do the same it is always ‘another gross hag fantasy’

I am not saying that you need to like everything and that you cannot express your dislike for something, I just feel that most of the time the way in which BL readers express their dislike for an author or manga is very pedantic, some comments are super normal ‘wow i didn’t expect this from them’ and then you have the ‘finally this dumb degenarate wrote something good’
And this is not exclusive to when they don't like a bl, because when they like one, it is always something among the lines of ‘finally something good in this garbage genre." If someone gave me money for each ‘breath of fresh air’ that I find in yaoi comments I would be a millionaire lmao

Also, people really forget that authors/creatives are multifaceted, and instead of being happy or amazed by the versatile of an author they feel betrayed /syundei or that the author ‘improved and grew as a person’ /paspaskim. and is like, authors sometimes will want to approach certain topics from different perspectives

About sissy manhua.

The novel was a bit more detailed about the cheating part of ch 38. The purple haired guy gave ML his number; did ML keep the number?

In CH 38, after ML cheated on MC with purple hair. ML and MC were playing a game with a stick, and the purple haired guy and his bf came.

ML got angry and said he doesn’t know them, and excused himself to go to the bathroom. And the purple haired guy also said he’s going to the bathroom.

Manhua doesn’t mention what happens when the purple haired guy goes to the bathroom, following ML. Did ML cheat again? Does it perhaps say what happened in novel regarding the purple hair guy following ML to bathroom?

And meanwhile, MC naively followed the purple haired guy’s bf and got tricked.

Other than 19 Days and Tamen De Gushi, (there are some other great manhuas but I forgot their names) every other Chinese manhua I've read is just pure shit, I'm sorry, it's just the plot sometimes don't make any sense and there's unnecessary misunderstandings, and why do all the MC always end up with the asshole who treated them the worst and literally ruined their lives, I know most Korean bl manhwas are the same but the difference between manhwa and manhuas is that manhuas I swear that I don't get half of the story line, they have like sudden twists or cliches out of nowhere, and there's 2nd hand embarrassments all over I could not bear to continue reading, actually scratch that, lately even BL manhwas are starting to be the same but at least they have better art and story wise albeit little, WHILE I SWEAR IT'S ALMOST LIKE ALL MANHUAS HAVE THE SAME ARTISTS, because I just knew in an instant whether what I read is from a Chinese author or not, based on art styles and so many sexualization of women, btw I'm not just talking about bl, I'm talking about the whole genres they have, like I have seen at least 5 of the same plot with a small different twist made from different authors, they ain't even original anymore