Even if the the whole city is promiscuous the ML shouldn't have slept around or gotten mixed so what does it make him ,how can he be the ML if he have such less control over himself. Just this fact makes him disgusting . People say you take whole life to build respect but it can shatter with one bad thing you had done .
Virginity here shows his loyalty towards ines but he failed in it ,even though she didn't value him, he should have respected the engagement (in word).
Even ines slept with somone else before. Even if not in this life. If neither of them care why does it matter
mf spawned from 18th century
isn’t he just a man after all ? you’re reading an historical story and personally what i like in it is the fact that they’re just human. both broken hearted these good people made bad decisions.
girl people sleep with who they wanna sleep with and this goes for ines too like lol virginity isnt even a thing its a made up concept to shame women for doing what they want and now u gonna go shame men too? get a grip
Imagine telling someone to respect a forced arrangement.
Right. He’s a man who’s free to do what he did in my opinion, he never gave consent to the engagement after all, so why should he care and chase after someone who was using him and manipulating him?
meant to downvote. what bs? cárcel, from what he had seen, was going to be forever stuck in a marriage with a woman who was cold and promised to never love him. ofc he would want to run away from that and enjoy his youth as long as he can. but he changes the whole thing around and never once has eyes for anyone but Ines. that shows his development as a person and also his loyalty. what bs
It matters ...
Hirap mo naman pasayahin ante.
1. Ines WANTED HIM to cheat. That alone is a big argument already.
2. It may not be in this current life, but Ines also slept with other men. And she REMEMBERS them. So she isn't as "virgin" as you think.
3. Virginity (which is just a social construct) isn't even an issue in the story, and you're making a big deal out of it.
4. Don't forget about the CONTEXT. This is not a 21st centry
What matters is he should have stayed loyal to that engagement (in word)
Whether 18 th century or not Virgin or not but should remain loyal that's the point he wasn't loyal to that engagement
yeah cuz the engagement was forced on him. when he was 6. by a woman who has already lived two lives already. if you can't read morally complex characters just don't bother man
Matters to whom? Ines? Or readers who think he should have cling to Ines as a lapdog while she’s rejecting him hard?
Uhmmm.... why???? Because if I rememver correctly, Ines never cared about Carcel's "virginity" to begin with. And if you really want to push the modern idea, isn't it established already that virginity is just a social construct? So.... why does it matter? None of them stayed "loyal" to that engagement (or to each other) to begin with. Ines was initially using Carcel for protection & plans on divorcing him after pushing him to cheat. There was no love at first.
His own dignity by remaining loyal to the engagement
Doesn't he mention in one chapter that he's a used one and he himself thinks it's disgusting
For what? He was forced to married her. It's not like he proposed & cheated. It was an arranged marriage that he never wanted initially. That was his way of rebelling, which didnt matter to Ines. So why would it matter??? She was even ignoring him. If you're gonna hate everything without actually considering the context & the plot (on why it happened), then don't read. You hating him won't change the fact that it already happened & complex characters exists.
Dignity? Glad to know Ines was just as undignified in the previous timeline when she stripped herself naked and trespassed in a stranger’s room and proceeded to sit on his genetalia. She didn’t even know his name. He had to tell her his name in the middle of his lust. I guess that made both Carcel and Ines undignified main characters because both of them had sex with another person while engaged to be married. Bottom line is, two undignified people getting married shouldn’t be a problem.
But Ines didn't care, right? If she did & if it were really a big issue, the story already ended & Ines & Carcel wouldn't be together.
Foul but well said. And did she even ask for consent before sitting on another man’s yeah?
She did it and lived with that person but he did it other person and is living with her now
Beau they weren't even together, chill
omg wahh wahhh wahhh nothings gonna change if you don't like this about the story READ SOMETHING ELSE nobody is forcing you to read.
She didn’t. She even told him to shut up when he cried out in fright. He knew she was the crown prince’s fiance and he got scared. Even worse, when he saw the blood from her hymen, he started to cry again talking about he committed a grave sin. Ines continue to do her work to make him enjoy the sex and he gave in to his lust. Manhwa covered up most of it but that’s why she’s drawn sitting on top of him with a cold, emotionless expression and he was crying underneath her.
The engagement was never broken. That’s why to the end of her life her marriage was recognized by no one but her.
Imagine being so pissed about this, which is just surface level... OP would lose their mind when they read stories with morally gray characters
I honestly don’t know why some readers keep hanging on. Ines disagree with everything they say about Carcel so it’s not like they will get validation from her.
Right. Imagine focusing so much on the past and acting like they’ve been cheated on, I feel like some are just projecting. I’ve seen way too many of these. I don’t think they’ll be able to handle the Chinese novels I’ve read haha.
Imagine being so pissed about something that is not even an issue in the story... OP would lose their mind when they read stories with morally gray characters
She did it and lived with that person and he did it with others and is living with her now
Isn’t that rape? wtf. I hate it when manhwas aren’t detailed. They made it look like it was consensual or some shit. Bruhh and people on bato comments think that scene is cute and how they want Emiliano as ML.
That’s just disgusting honestly. I found out just now. Thanks for the info. It’s a crucial piece for me since people yap about “loyalty” and “consent” against Carcel.
I thought we were talking about violating the engagement and not about who end up living with whom.
Some readers just project their morality onto characters. I think I find it the funniest when they justify everything Ines did and condemn Carcel if he did the same.
They do not have anything to say, haha.
If you're going to stick with that argument, then Ines is just the same as Carcel as you are saying, since it won't change the fact that she still slept with other men before Carcel. If they are so stuck in the past, them sleeping together wouldn't even happen. And you're saying this as if neither Carcel nor Ines are not capable of "character development" & they will stay "unloyal" because of what happened in the past. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
But past can't be changed
Okay and Ines used someone, coerced someone using her status, sexually assaulted someone, and she slept with someone in the past while being with someone else in a relationship. She still has memories of that. “Past can’t be changed”—You.
That's the point. If Ines's past can't be changed, so is Carcel's. So, again... why would Carcel's past matter when, as you said, past can't be changed?
Exactly. Can’t they just admit they can’t pull anything else out their butt now?
Mental gymnastics is so strong i can't even cope anymore like, if they want to believe that, fine. We already did what we can to explain. It's so hard when people are pushing their moral compass on a fictional character and completely ignoring the context.
Ok,i understood it's wrong of me to think so
I just can't accept the fact when he is so loving towards ines why can't he be hers only from start to end physically mentally and overall
It's the flow the author wanted to. Plus love isn't always go with "boy meets girl & waited til they are together" like in other stories. It may have took them 3 (if i remember correctly) lifetimes to be together but hey, it doesn't matter. All that matters is they are together now. Carcel realized his love for Ines, and Ines admitting that he loves Carcel too. None of them cared about the past & is focused on the NOW. It's just like dating in real life. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
Why should he chase after someone who is using and hurting him?
what kind of logic is this
pls don't measure a man's worth with their dick, if someone is a virgin or not it shouldn't matter at all. Virginity is just a social construct, losing it wouldn't make him less of a good man.
And lmaooo ur seriously saying these stuffs despite reading a bunch of porn in this site
Why should he show loyalty to someone who doesn't even love him back. If anything I should also call out on Ines' love for him. Like I know there's a hidden 1st timeline so imagine knowing that they both loved each other and were each other's true love, but then after those two lives, SHE's the only one who even married other men and even have children with them. Carcel at least never married anyone else or had children with anyone else. Virginity is a joke. Guess people who had exes can't date anymore if they lose it to someone they loved before or what about people who had dead spouses. People can sleep with whoever they want. It's how they act after a serious agreeable relationship that matters more.
Was ml's first sex with jasmine or he had already had it with some other as from somewhere I heard that he had a high libido
I feel like the ml already had experience cause theres one chapter when he said its not his firstime
Thanks for telling
Spoilers anyone