Lowkey, I haven’t even read this yet, but why are you all so mad that people are disturbed by rape???? Like, it’s not normal and shouldn’t be normalised. I don’t know if some of you are underage and that’s why you don’t have a proper understanding, but romanticising rape isn’t normal. Hope this helps.
no one’s fucking romanticizing rape you tard theyre not real… when you see someone enjoying a shooter game do you walk up to them and go “NO! wahhhhh killing people shouldn’t be normalized you’re so problematic wahhhhhh” get a grip
no one’s fucking romanticizing rape you tard theyre not real… when you see someone enjoying a shooter game do you walk up to them and go “NO! wahhhhh killing people shouldn’t be normalized you’re so p... neosophi
imma need you to get a grip dude. thats like saying drawing cp is okay cuz the kids aren't real. imma need you to use your brain big dawg
no one’s fucking romanticizing rape you tard theyre not real… when you see someone enjoying a shooter game do you walk up to them and go “NO! wahhhhh killing people shouldn’t be normalized you’re so p... neosophi
You’re clearly a fucking idiot, because that’s not the same thing at all. Shooting games don’t try to convince you killing is romantic. Meanwhile, these BL stories are literally acting like rape is “part of the journey” to a happy ending. They treat it as character development, like “oh, he raped him but now he’s nicer, so it’s love.” That’s not romance, that’s abuse with a makeover. Big difference.
You’re clearly a fucking idiot, because that’s not the same thing at all. Shooting games don’t try to convince you killing is romantic. Meanwhile, these BL stories are literally acting like rape is “par... baddie
if a yaoi does that then it’s ass storytelling. and who says someone can’t enjoy an ass story? and if a yaoi depicting rape with a happy ending is enough to convince you that irl rape is okay then you have issues. not all fictional characters have to be picture perfect role models unless you’re an extremely impressionable 5 year old.
and have you ever played shooting games before? because they absolutely do encourage in game violence. like gta. you get achievements in some open world shooter games for killing npcs. mortal kombat has the goriest, very disgusting kills where you win matches for brutalizing your opponent.
if a yaoi does that then it’s ass storytelling. and who says someone can’t enjoy an ass story? and if a yaoi depicting rape with a happy ending is enough to convince you that irl rape is okay then you have ... neosophi
Bro, you can enjoy an ass story. I have enjoyed a lot of shitty BLs with terrible writing. But you are basically saying that if it is not real, it is okay. So by that logic, drawing child pornography is okay because it is fake, and I am the one with issues for thinking that is wrong?
I have played shooting games like GTA and other games that involve killing, and it does not normalise it. It is a game where shooting is part of winning or following the plot. It makes sense. You cannot compare killing to rape. They are two completely different things. Rape in romance stories makes zero sense. It is not love. It is abuse, and framing it as romance is just weird. People have killed in real life for all sorts of reasons, sometimes excusable, but rape cannot be excused.
So no, that comparison will never make sense to me. You can read whatever you want, and I can have a problem with this. We each have an opinion and that is
if a yaoi does that then it’s ass storytelling. and who says someone can’t enjoy an ass story? and if a yaoi depicting rape with a happy ending is enough to convince you that irl rape is okay then you have ... neosophi
brochacho. nobody said you can't enjoy an ass story. people are literally saying they don't like rape and your saying its okay because this isn't real, while being rude as hell because they are stating some shit that should be common sense.
if a yaoi does that then it’s ass storytelling. and who says someone can’t enjoy an ass story? and if a yaoi depicting rape with a happy ending is enough to convince you that irl rape is okay then you have ... neosophi
oh my god i can't believe you are a real person. we should not have that fucking discussion to begin with, that's the issue. my guy, do you even hear yourself, you're doing mental gymnastics to explain why noncon in yaoi is actually not such an issue, comparing reading about characters being raped to playing games with brutal violence, LIKE ARE WE HEARING OURSELVES???
rape is so prevalent in korean bls that as a manga reader when i started reading manhwa i read more stories back to back with rape between two main characters than i ever did in 15 years of reading yaoi. not your good ol' yaoi dubcon, if you want to differentiate it, just brutal, triggering rape. i was reading the most popular titles btw.
it is bad and it is a problem. just because it doesn't make you feel any typa way doesn't mean it should be accepted. this is something even a 5yo would understand.
enjoying stories with rape doesn't also make you a bad person by the way. just acknowledge it and move on, and don't argue with other people how um actually rape in fiction is not bad because it's only fiction. don't wanna get triggered? then don't read it teehee.
don't wanna be called dumb? then don't say dumb things
oh my god i can't believe you are a real person. we should not have that fucking discussion to begin with, that's the issue. my guy, do you even hear yourself, you're doing mental gymnastics to explain why nonc... godzosatoru
Did I say you were a bad person? You are saying this to yourself. I am saying my point on how I don’t like how rape is romanticised in yaoi or just in romance books in general. A lot of movies and books include rape or implied rape, but it is not romanticised. It is shown as wrong or villainous, and the characters involved are not shown ending up together. My issue is specifically when the story has the characters end up together.
If you like fictional rape, then like it. Omfg, like you’re breaking your back to defend it. Damn bro, enjoy it then
Did I say you were a bad person? You are saying this to yourself. I am saying my point on how I don’t like how rape is romanticised in yaoi or just in romance books in general. A lot of movies and books incl... baddie
What does reading your comments give me? I read them and, unfortunately, my third eye has not opened. I do not feel enlightened, sadly. To summarise your points, you said:
- Noncon/rape in BL can be enjoyed and is not inherently “bad” just because it is fiction. - You compared it to violent video games to argue that it does not “normalise” rape. - You acknowledged it is a problem and bad writing, but you were frustrated that I was criticising it. - Overall, you were trying to defend enjoying it while still agreeing it is an issue, though in a very condescending way.
Am I missing something, or is there an encrypted morse code message I have to triple check?
You can have an opinion, babes, and so can I. That is really the moral of the story.
What does reading your comments give me? I read them and, unfortunately, my third eye has not opened. I do not feel enlightened, sadly. To summarise your points, you said:- Noncon/rape in BL can be enjoyed and ... baddie
you would see that you somehow mistook me for that moron and did not read mine comment at all i think cause i am on your side and agreeing with you, AND i was talking to the other person how insane whatever the fuck they were talking about was
you would see that you somehow mistook me for that moron and did not read mine comment at all i think cause i am on your side and agreeing with you, AND i was talking to the other person how insane whatever th... godzosatoru
OMFG omfg OMFG IM SO SORRY LMAOOOOOOOOOOO IM CRYING
Bro, you can enjoy an ass story. I have enjoyed a lot of shitty BLs with terrible writing. But you are basically saying that if it is not real, it is okay. So by that logic, drawing child pornography is okay be... baddie
you clearly have not played a lot of shooter games if you think this. gta's main story literally encourages violence whilst the rampage mode LITERALLY makes you kill as many npcs as you can in a time limit. the wanted level system also encourages you to have shootouts with the police and kill npcs. and rape and murder actually are pretty comparable. they're both heinous crimes that people treat seriously. do you know how comparisons work?
i'm not trying to flaunt victim status or anything, but i'm quite literally a rape victim. it's so stupid to see you guys go up in arms about rape in a piece of fictional media. you're not protecting anyone or doing any moral good. if you don't like it, that's fine. but why care? anyone with the most basic level of common sense knows rape irl isn't okay. no one is going to read a fucking yaoi manhwa with noncon in it and start being influenced to think rape is good.
and romance can have rape, why not? it's fiction. it's not nonfiction. it's not meant to be realistic. if YOU don't think it makes sense, and YOU don't like it, again, that's completely fine. but your opinions aren't like the governing words of the world.
you clearly have not played a lot of shooter games if you think this. gta's main story literally encourages violence whilst the rampage mode LITERALLY makes you kill as many npcs as you can in a time limit. the... neosophi
and to the other dude that blocked me, op wasn't saying that they don't like the story, they were saying bs about rape being normalized because of noncon in a manhwa. oh so if a slasher film portrays gory murder as a fun thing, is it normalizing murder? ofc you don't have to like noncon yaoi. i literally NEVER said you had to.
oh my god i can't believe you are a real person. we should not have that fucking discussion to begin with, that's the issue. my guy, do you even hear yourself, you're doing mental gymnastics to explain why nonc... godzosatoru
what on earth are you talking about LMAOOOO please tell me how noncon in yaoi is some harmful problem. all of you guys keep saying it's horrible and problematic, but none of you can say how or why.
and to the other dude that blocked me, op wasn't saying that they don't like the story, they were saying bs about rape being normalized because of noncon in a manhwa. oh so if a slasher film portrays gory murde... neosophi
I'm not going to get into anything with you because I would rather not, however I've read the entire conversation and noticed a hole in your argument from the moment you mentioned shooter games.
Shooter games and slasher films are not comparable to the topic at hand for a very simple reason, genre. Notice how in "shooter" games the objective is to, of course, shoot and kill. In slasher films, the entire point is gore and murder, "slashing" victims. These concepts are being encouraged and sometimes perhaps even "glorified" because that is the genre they are in, and people consume this media KNOWING the content before going into it because it is displayed as such.
However, this story and many others like it are not advertised as rape or noncon stories, they are advertised as "yaoi" or "romance", that is the genre they portray themselves as, so the people who often consume that media are not aware of it's contents because the overview is misleading. So, when 60% of these "romance" bls involve rape, noncon, dubcon, etc, what impression does that leave? I know you've already stated that you believe people are not very impressionable, but when a reader who's too young to be consuming this type of media in the first place (which is a lot more than you may think) sees all this rape and dubcon, they begin, at the very least, to become desensitized to it, and THAT is the issue. When people stop acknowledging things for what they are, they begin to lose their value. When you normalize and accept rape because you're used to it, it starts to not sound as bad as it used to when the term is used irl.
Rape disguised as "romance" is misleading, and even if you aren't impressionable it can still desensitize you if you consume enough of it without a second thought. You, yourself, along with every other defender in the comments have become desensitized to it simply because it's "fictional". Objectively, rape is bad. Ask anybody and that should be the answer you receive. But, how many people actually bat an eye when they hear somebody they don't know was raped?
That's not even to mention the people who were more than just desensitized, but perhaps even drawn to it. They could be attracted to the idea of taking advantage of someone, or even being taken advantage of, and when it's the latter, one may be more susceptible to abuse. that's the other problem. Its possible to be attracted to something you KNOW is objectively bad, take pedophiles, necrophiles, and zoophiles for instance. Where do you think these twisted fetishes come from in a lot of these instances? Most likely it's some piece of media that they get their hands on that opens a door that should've been locked tight.
Rape is a heinous, inexcusable, and unforgivable crime that should not be normalized in ROMANCE of all things. That is not to say it shouldn't be portrayed period, but there should be MUCH less of it than there currently is and it should be properly advertised as such in order to attract the crowd it was made for, rather than misleading people who have no business consuming it.
Honestly I didn't have to write half of this comment because that wasn't what I originally planned to do, but you did say that nobody had yet to point out the issues they had so
Also I wanna add, if people weren't impressionable to rape, things like proshipping wouldn't exist. If you don't know what that is I suggest looking it up
I'm not going to get into anything with you because I would rather not, however I've read the entire conversation and noticed a hole in your argument from the moment you mentioned shooter games. Shooter games a... Roronoa Zoro
you say you read the entire convo but you must have read the things i wrote with your eyes closed.
you can't just pull a bullshit "60%" percentage to try and validify your argument; not that what you're saying would make sense even if that random percentage was true.
to address your third paragraph, it's frankly not any authors' fault if kids are being exposed to their adult work. in a perfect world, of course i wouldn't want young children to be consuming pornographic media, let alone noncon pornography. but that's quite different from real life. whether you like it or not, children will dig up things they shouldn't be exposed to. predators use ice cream to lure children. should we ban ice cream? do ice cream sellers need to take that burden because ice cream is being exploited (the obvious answer to both of those questions is no.)? why should authors take responsibility or change their content just because illegal sites are ripping off their noncon work so that kids can access it? here's another, more feasible analogy: let's say a movie producer who is passionate about making gory horror films follows all standard procedures, and theaters also take some degree of caution to restrict that content to adults. however, it can still be accessed by kids through illegal websites online. should we just ban all horror films?
to address your comment about "rape disguised as 'romance' being misleading": read my other comments (again, did you read my comments with your eyes closed?). not to be redundant, but fiction doesn't have to be realistic. it doesn't matter if it's misleading; it's called FICTION and not NONFICTION for a reason. if someone is insensitive enough to not care about irl rape, then they have a problem. if you're of age and impressionable enough to be influenced by exaggerated, usually watered down, fictional depictions of rape, you have a problem. (to go off on a bit of a tangent here, but many, many studies have been done on how fiction can affect real life. the general conclusion is that unless someone has prior mental issues, it has a negligible influence on your moral and political opinions as well as actions.)
i think noncon kinks are too nuanced a subject for you to make a sweeping, generalized statement like that. some rape victims cope by consuming noncon content, or find comfort in reenacting consensual noncon with their trusted partners. others just find consensual noncon hot. it's a wide spectrum.
and can you source anything about most pedos, zoos, and necrophiles developing their fetishes through fictional content? it's also a sad but disgusting truth that people like pedos are MUCH less likely to target real life kids if they are able to consume fictional depictions instead. that said, fictional depictions of child pornography IS illegal in a lot of places. it's recognized to have a harmful impact, to an extent, on real life children. of course legality isn't something to decide all of your morals on, but laws regarding censorship are usually there for a reason.
of course rape shouldn't be normalized. but like i've said (in so many of my previous comments), it's not the content itself that normalizes it, it's the consumers. if you're 1.) of the age to consume the content, and 2.) possess common sense, you're not normalizing it. i do agree with you that yaoi with noncon should be labeled as such, but for a long time now, a lot of yaoi (especially manhwa) have been marking yaoi with noncon. and even then, depictions of noncon in yaoi can sometimes be so horrendously unrealistic or far fetched that it's questionable whether it's even rape or not.
i'm confused on what you mean with the proshipping stuff. i know what proshipping is. it doesn't have anything to do with being "impressionable" to extreme content.
no one’s fucking romanticizing rape you tard theyre not real… when you see someone enjoying a shooter game do you walk up to them and go “NO! wahhhhh killing people shouldn’t be normalized you’re so p... neosophi
I’m crying this is so funny
Anyways I agree, obviously rape is immoral and nobody is normalising it by reading a story that contains it, like I do avoid a few stories that are just rape and no plot (I haven’t read this story yet I’ve just been reading the comments) but it’s pretty ridiculous to read a story and know what you’re getting into then start complaining, like just drop the story and move on, it’s not that deep
Lowkey, I haven’t even read this yet, but why are you all so mad that people are disturbed by rape???? Like, it’s not normal and shouldn’t be normalised. I don’t know if some of you are underage and that’s why you don’t have a proper understanding, but romanticising rape isn’t normal. Hope this helps.
no one’s fucking romanticizing rape you tard theyre not real… when you see someone enjoying a shooter game do you walk up to them and go “NO! wahhhhh killing people shouldn’t be normalized you’re so problematic wahhhhhh” get a grip
imma need you to get a grip dude. thats like saying drawing cp is okay cuz the kids aren't real. imma need you to use your brain big dawg
You’re clearly a fucking idiot, because that’s not the same thing at all. Shooting games don’t try to convince you killing is romantic. Meanwhile, these BL stories are literally acting like rape is “part of the journey” to a happy ending. They treat it as character development, like “oh, he raped him but now he’s nicer, so it’s love.” That’s not romance, that’s abuse with a makeover. Big difference.
if a yaoi does that then it’s ass storytelling. and who says someone can’t enjoy an ass story? and if a yaoi depicting rape with a happy ending is enough to convince you that irl rape is okay then you have issues. not all fictional characters have to be picture perfect role models unless you’re an extremely impressionable 5 year old.
and have you ever played shooting games before? because they absolutely do encourage in game violence. like gta. you get achievements in some open world shooter games for killing npcs. mortal kombat has the goriest, very disgusting kills where you win matches for brutalizing your opponent.
Bro, you can enjoy an ass story. I have enjoyed a lot of shitty BLs with terrible writing. But you are basically saying that if it is not real, it is okay. So by that logic, drawing child pornography is okay because it is fake, and I am the one with issues for thinking that is wrong?
I have played shooting games like GTA and other games that involve killing, and it does not normalise it. It is a game where shooting is part of winning or following the plot. It makes sense. You cannot compare killing to rape. They are two completely different things. Rape in romance stories makes zero sense. It is not love. It is abuse, and framing it as romance is just weird. People have killed in real life for all sorts of reasons, sometimes excusable, but rape cannot be excused.
So no, that comparison will never make sense to me. You can read whatever you want, and I can have a problem with this. We each have an opinion and that is
brochacho. nobody said you can't enjoy an ass story. people are literally saying they don't like rape and your saying its okay because this isn't real, while being rude as hell because they are stating some shit that should be common sense.
oh my god i can't believe you are a real person. we should not have that fucking discussion to begin with, that's the issue. my guy, do you even hear yourself, you're doing mental gymnastics to explain why noncon in yaoi is actually not such an issue, comparing reading about characters being raped to playing games with brutal violence, LIKE ARE WE HEARING OURSELVES???
rape is so prevalent in korean bls that as a manga reader when i started reading manhwa i read more stories back to back with rape between two main characters than i ever did in 15 years of reading yaoi. not your good ol' yaoi dubcon, if you want to differentiate it, just brutal, triggering rape. i was reading the most popular titles btw.
it is bad and it is a problem. just because it doesn't make you feel any typa way doesn't mean it should be accepted. this is something even a 5yo would understand.
enjoying stories with rape doesn't also make you a bad person by the way. just acknowledge it and move on, and don't argue with other people how um actually rape in fiction is not bad because it's only fiction. don't wanna get triggered? then don't read it teehee.
don't wanna be called dumb? then don't say dumb things
Did I say you were a bad person? You are saying this to yourself. I am saying my point on how I don’t like how rape is romanticised in yaoi or just in romance books in general. A lot of movies and books include rape or implied rape, but it is not romanticised. It is shown as wrong or villainous, and the characters involved are not shown ending up together. My issue is specifically when the story has the characters end up together.
If you like fictional rape, then like it. Omfg, like you’re breaking your back to defend it. Damn bro, enjoy it then
girl read my comment again
What does reading your comments give me? I read them and, unfortunately, my third eye has not opened. I do not feel enlightened, sadly.
To summarise your points, you said:
- Noncon/rape in BL can be enjoyed and is not inherently “bad” just because it is fiction.
- You compared it to violent video games to argue that it does not “normalise” rape.
- You acknowledged it is a problem and bad writing, but you were frustrated that I was criticising it.
- Overall, you were trying to defend enjoying it while still agreeing it is an issue, though in a very condescending way.
Am I missing something, or is there an encrypted morse code message I have to triple check?
You can have an opinion, babes, and so can I. That is really the moral of the story.
you would see that you somehow mistook me for that moron and did not read mine comment at all i think cause i am on your side and agreeing with you, AND i was talking to the other person how insane whatever the fuck they were talking about was
OMFG omfg OMFG IM SO SORRY LMAOOOOOOOOOOO IM CRYING
you clearly have not played a lot of shooter games if you think this. gta's main story literally encourages violence whilst the rampage mode LITERALLY makes you kill as many npcs as you can in a time limit. the wanted level system also encourages you to have shootouts with the police and kill npcs. and rape and murder actually are pretty comparable. they're both heinous crimes that people treat seriously. do you know how comparisons work?
i'm not trying to flaunt victim status or anything, but i'm quite literally a rape victim. it's so stupid to see you guys go up in arms about rape in a piece of fictional media. you're not protecting anyone or doing any moral good. if you don't like it, that's fine. but why care? anyone with the most basic level of common sense knows rape irl isn't okay. no one is going to read a fucking yaoi manhwa with noncon in it and start being influenced to think rape is good.
and romance can have rape, why not? it's fiction. it's not nonfiction. it's not meant to be realistic. if YOU don't think it makes sense, and YOU don't like it, again, that's completely fine. but your opinions aren't like the governing words of the world.
and to the other dude that blocked me, op wasn't saying that they don't like the story, they were saying bs about rape being normalized because of noncon in a manhwa. oh so if a slasher film portrays gory murder as a fun thing, is it normalizing murder? ofc you don't have to like noncon yaoi. i literally NEVER said you had to.
what on earth are you talking about LMAOOOO please tell me how noncon in yaoi is some harmful problem. all of you guys keep saying it's horrible and problematic, but none of you can say how or why.
I'm not going to get into anything with you because I would rather not, however I've read the entire conversation and noticed a hole in your argument from the moment you mentioned shooter games.
Shooter games and slasher films are not comparable to the topic at hand for a very simple reason, genre. Notice how in "shooter" games the objective is to, of course, shoot and kill. In slasher films, the entire point is gore and murder, "slashing" victims. These concepts are being encouraged and sometimes perhaps even "glorified" because that is the genre they are in, and people consume this media KNOWING the content before going into it because it is displayed as such.
However, this story and many others like it are not advertised as rape or noncon stories, they are advertised as "yaoi" or "romance", that is the genre they portray themselves as, so the people who often consume that media are not aware of it's contents because the overview is misleading. So, when 60% of these "romance" bls involve rape, noncon, dubcon, etc, what impression does that leave? I know you've already stated that you believe people are not very impressionable, but when a reader who's too young to be consuming this type of media in the first place (which is a lot more than you may think) sees all this rape and dubcon, they begin, at the very least, to become desensitized to it, and THAT is the issue. When people stop acknowledging things for what they are, they begin to lose their value. When you normalize and accept rape because you're used to it, it starts to not sound as bad as it used to when the term is used irl.
Rape disguised as "romance" is misleading, and even if you aren't impressionable it can still desensitize you if you consume enough of it without a second thought. You, yourself, along with every other defender in the comments have become desensitized to it simply because it's "fictional". Objectively, rape is bad. Ask anybody and that should be the answer you receive. But, how many people actually bat an eye when they hear somebody they don't know was raped?
That's not even to mention the people who were more than just desensitized, but perhaps even drawn to it. They could be attracted to the idea of taking advantage of someone, or even being taken advantage of, and when it's the latter, one may be more susceptible to abuse. that's the other problem. Its possible to be attracted to something you KNOW is objectively bad, take pedophiles, necrophiles, and zoophiles for instance. Where do you think these twisted fetishes come from in a lot of these instances? Most likely it's some piece of media that they get their hands on that opens a door that should've been locked tight.
Rape is a heinous, inexcusable, and unforgivable crime that should not be normalized in ROMANCE of all things. That is not to say it shouldn't be portrayed period, but there should be MUCH less of it than there currently is and it should be properly advertised as such in order to attract the crowd it was made for, rather than misleading people who have no business consuming it.
Honestly I didn't have to write half of this comment because that wasn't what I originally planned to do, but you did say that nobody had yet to point out the issues they had so
Also I wanna add, if people weren't impressionable to rape, things like proshipping wouldn't exist. If you don't know what that is I suggest looking it up
you say you read the entire convo but you must have read the things i wrote with your eyes closed.
you can't just pull a bullshit "60%" percentage to try and validify your argument; not that what you're saying would make sense even if that random percentage was true.
to address your third paragraph, it's frankly not any authors' fault if kids are being exposed to their adult work. in a perfect world, of course i wouldn't want young children to be consuming pornographic media, let alone noncon pornography. but that's quite different from real life. whether you like it or not, children will dig up things they shouldn't be exposed to. predators use ice cream to lure children. should we ban ice cream? do ice cream sellers need to take that burden because ice cream is being exploited (the obvious answer to both of those questions is no.)? why should authors take responsibility or change their content just because illegal sites are ripping off their noncon work so that kids can access it? here's another, more feasible analogy: let's say a movie producer who is passionate about making gory horror films follows all standard procedures, and theaters also take some degree of caution to restrict that content to adults. however, it can still be accessed by kids through illegal websites online. should we just ban all horror films?
to address your comment about "rape disguised as 'romance' being misleading": read my other comments (again, did you read my comments with your eyes closed?). not to be redundant, but fiction doesn't have to be realistic. it doesn't matter if it's misleading; it's called FICTION and not NONFICTION for a reason. if someone is insensitive enough to not care about irl rape, then they have a problem. if you're of age and impressionable enough to be influenced by exaggerated, usually watered down, fictional depictions of rape, you have a problem. (to go off on a bit of a tangent here, but many, many studies have been done on how fiction can affect real life. the general conclusion is that unless someone has prior mental issues, it has a negligible influence on your moral and political opinions as well as actions.)
i think noncon kinks are too nuanced a subject for you to make a sweeping, generalized statement like that. some rape victims cope by consuming noncon content, or find comfort in reenacting consensual noncon with their trusted partners. others just find consensual noncon hot. it's a wide spectrum.
and can you source anything about most pedos, zoos, and necrophiles developing their fetishes through fictional content? it's also a sad but disgusting truth that people like pedos are MUCH less likely to target real life kids if they are able to consume fictional depictions instead. that said, fictional depictions of child pornography IS illegal in a lot of places. it's recognized to have a harmful impact, to an extent, on real life children. of course legality isn't something to decide all of your morals on, but laws regarding censorship are usually there for a reason.
of course rape shouldn't be normalized. but like i've said (in so many of my previous comments), it's not the content itself that normalizes it, it's the consumers. if you're 1.) of the age to consume the content, and 2.) possess common sense, you're not normalizing it. i do agree with you that yaoi with noncon should be labeled as such, but for a long time now, a lot of yaoi (especially manhwa) have been marking yaoi with noncon. and even then, depictions of noncon in yaoi can sometimes be so horrendously unrealistic or far fetched that it's questionable whether it's even rape or not.
i'm confused on what you mean with the proshipping stuff. i know what proshipping is. it doesn't have anything to do with being "impressionable" to extreme content.
I’m crying this is so funny
Anyways I agree, obviously rape is immoral and nobody is normalising it by reading a story that contains it, like I do avoid a few stories that are just rape and no plot (I haven’t read this story yet I’ve just been reading the comments) but it’s pretty ridiculous to read a story and know what you’re getting into then start complaining, like just drop the story and move on, it’s not that deep