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I will not get tired of writing this . Hating weak emotional FLs is getting out of hand. She literally has a reason and history for being the way she is. You guys need to learn that story a progress and reading only 10 chapters can't give you full context.




small spoiler here.

The FL was abused (mentallyand physically by her parentsfornher whole life) , traumatized, and nearly assaulted multiple times, leaving her with deep scars like PTSD and body dysmorphia. There is more story though.

so yes. Try being in her shoes.

I’m not sure about others, but my biggest problem with 99% of soft or “weak” fls is that they’re all the same they have the same abuse backstory, struggles and always written as a naïve little kitten that needs to be saved every single time. I have not read the novel but so far she is nothing special and she’s like every other soft fl with the same ass backstory, I can’t name a single thing that really sets her apart from the rest and I think that’s the biggest issue with soft fls and I do get tired of it.

Also absolutely despise that almost every soft fl gets a yellow flag ml or a man who can’t communicate his feelings and is overly aggressive but she changes him bc she such a kind hearted person. It’s such a repetitive trope like why can’t she ever get a nice guy who is gentle with her from the start. It’s such a repetitive trope.

I get what you mean, but honestly, this isn’t a light trauma background—at least in my opinion. It’s more psychological than action-driven. I actually like this kind of character, since not everyone connects with a strong, “badass” female lead. Some readers want someone they can relate to.

She does go through real character development, and it takes time, which feels realistic. You can’t expect 21 years of abuse to just disappear in a month or two. She’s also not the typical “I don’t know anything about s*x” character—she’s honest about her desires and learns to express herself.

One thing I noticed while reading is that she only cries when she’s with the male lead. When something awful happens, she shuts down her emotions, but around him, she lets herself be vulnerable and express what she’s feeling.

Lmao its bc i was in her shoes that this consent 'weakness' is pissing me off. Every person I've ever known that went thru something similar (myself included) always feels so much stronger. Bc u have to be strong to survive going thru shit like that, which makes it all the more frustrating to see someone depicted as so weak. Someone who is so naive and is so innocent like every ither sweet female lead that goes through VERY similar traumas, maybe bc authors these days have no originality so the impact of these traumas are all so similar. The end result for trauma in manhwa, when the character is a women, seems to be becoming meek, sad, cries a lot with the right person and requires the help of the male lead. Its never violence, its never ugly anger and its never realistic. When its a male character going through these traumas, its always the guy becoming withdrawn or violent or lash out or don't like touch.

See how the trauma and the characteristics that come from it have become stereotypes? The way you can list several manhwa with this concept (this one likely on that stupid list)? Flat and 2d is what something is when it follows stereotypes instead of actually looking at the realities of how trauma presents, there are many fmc who are meek as a result of trauma, not so many who show the rage that comes with it.

This doesn't feel like good representation, its insulting, and more importantly, fucking shit to read bc there is nothing to relate with when someone is a cookie cutter 'soft' female lead that gets with someone thats scary and 'helps' him become less scary or less violent/angry with her kindness out of the goodness if her fucking heart

A reason and history for the way she's acting isn't good enough when the author themselves MADE AND WROTE that history. Especially when her character falls flat and feels 2d as fuck.

Oh sorry to hear that you went through similar trauma. But not everyone has a same response to a abuse. You weren't able to relate to her. And I was. So if you don't like it you can pass. I will embrace weak characters.







I guess you have already read the novel and know how story unfolds, since you are so sure about her character. Maybe you are right, after being brainwashed and groomed for 21 years that you are ugly monster, who only needs to live for someone else's sake and needs to give up her life for them doesn't give her right to be weak and needs to have her opinions. Not to mention, what does it matter if you were kidnapped and almost raped two times. Than to be blamed by your own mother that everything bad has happened to you is your fault. Oh yeah and being sold by your father? Not so traumatizing. Yeah everyone after this need to be badass.

I think that the main problem for a lot of people here and me personally is that the authors a lot of times write fl like her. In a lot of stories the female lead has traumas, and has suffered abuse from like everyone, when in fact the story can be written with a different type of female lead, not the abused one which we see a lot of times. In a lot of manhwas and novels from the romance genre the fl are like that, its like the same thing, just a liiiittle different, but is still the same. That what people are fed up with, its just copy paste at this point.

My main point was how copy and paste these characters are - of course ppl have different reactions to similar trauma. It all just falls flat though when authors repeat or copy characters traits (again, making truama and meekness a stereotype)
Regardless, I'm getting just as tired arguing my point so I'll leave it to that. I do hope you enjoy the story even tho I cant, the art seems pretty

Seriously the switch up is crazy

His archetype is that hes a spoiled entitled kid who always got what he wanted, not once did he pity his brother. He was never a good person. Him turning abusive is perfectly aligned with him. Someone who had everything, now has nothing, and has no one to take his anger out on.

Him turning abusive is his way of grasping onto the little power he has over the situation now that things arent going his way.

Idk to me it almost felt like a cop out - like an easy for the villian girl to suffer. The most disgusting aspect of it is that I almost felt bad for a (albeit fictional) guy who abuses someone.

Like I mentioned in my first comment, having cliff realise he doesn't love that girl would've been a great 'punishment' for both him and the girl. I feel like physical violence can harm you but often times small comments or words last much longer. As well as this, she becomes a victim of sorts the moment Cliff became abusive - which is likely not the 'clean cut' ending of villians punished and heroes happy ending the author was aiming for. (Often, authors try to make villians redeemable or give reasons for their evil, its clearly not what author is doing here)

I just feel bad for everyone involved in this case. The girl for her strange shitty obsession and the abuse she's getting and Cliff who's mind was manipulated and then thrust into a new world where he's alone with this person he doesn't actually know. I really very much prefer the novel ending over this bullshit.
(Sorry for long reply, i just need to rant )

No, I 100% agree and what sucks is this is adaptation or villain because originally he does get an ending similar to that where he’s depressed the point where he wants to kill himself because the girl who he loved who he was willing to risk everything on was deceiving him as well as everybody else.

I do get where you’re coming from for Cliff, but I still feel like the girl deserved her ending after tormenting the 12 girls stuck with her. The last one kinda ended up becoming her abuser, but I’m glad the rest found their peace.

Here’s my cop out for this cop out: this Cliff is not the original but a copy who gives author hope, but turns into a nightmare per the girls’ revenge.

And the original Cliff lives out his life per the original novel.

Oohhhh, I'm just gonna pretend thats what happened - great headcannon

Someone with proper reading comprehension

fr, like why would mls be able to have pathetic loser fls but strong fls can't have a cute pathetic loser mls? no the ml always has to be the most exceptional man in the lands