Cause what was all that truly about??? Like I was finally getting used to the MC’s personality and truly liked it but now he’s just a MAJORRR push over. Like wdym you got DRUGGED and RAPED but yolo
Yall know that picture of the dog in the sun? Peaceful resignation? That’s the face I made when I saw Shin.
This shit is actually so ass
Ppl love talking about ‘oh you can’t handle complex characters’, ‘he’s hurting’ blah blah but I can assure you that the #1 advice you will get if you’re in love with someone who is unstable is to distance yourself the minute you are unsafe. If they are a threat to you it literally does not matter what they have been through.
Fact is this guy is a whole grown adult who can’t admit he has issues and thinks the whole world is out to get him. Don’t care about those who are talking about why I’m still reading cause we all know YOU are only here for sex scenes and hot seme. I dropped this before but came because I was waiting for the chapter where he admits his wrongdoing to at least ONE fucked up thing he has done. But all he’s doing is making shit a lot worse especially so since we can clearly see what’s going on inside his mind. Like calling doc defective? Is you serious? And ppl are still vouching for them to get together??
This is why ppl always separate BL and yaoi. Because of certain fans who are porn addicts all they care about is just that, porn, and not what normalizing these toxic behaviors could potentially mean for others. Dont bother with the whole ‘it’s just fiction’ thing either because anime as a whole with cosplayers, conventions, fandoms is a great representation on how influential fiction can be.
Next, him getting a redemption arc does not automatically make him worthy of being in a relationship with Dan especially so since he’s just using him and will continue to use him to further improve and better himself. This is the whole ‘wife prays and waits for her husband to stop cheating on her so that they eventually live happily ever after.’
Shit is rancid. Hopefully the porn-addicted part of the fandom doesn’t branch out.
Apologies for how some shit may sound. If you are offended with parts of my post then this apology is not for you.
Damn this shit is long. Go yap elsewhere
Girl those are the same bj alex fans so they are all teenagers so u don’t need to frustrate urself just read and criticise as much as u want and ignore those brats
Nah cause it’s rlly gonna get to a really dangerous point id say. If they don’t snap out of this trance they’re gonna be insufferable fetishizers whose entire identity revolves around gay guys.
I mean you are making this sound way too deep than it should be from all that yapping
Elaborate? Cause am sure nth mentioned was so complex that it would take more than 2 brain cells to understand. It’s a common issue I’ve seen other ppl bring up
I mean i dont understand why people make such a big of a deal about this manga (yea i have read it),
its not new, its not that deep, its just a general bl/yaoi story, why are people making tedx talks about it like it is a masterpiece that needs to be explained?
They have always been like this
Miss the 2012s-2017s before those brats started coming and before manhwas started being popular
Because women fetishizing gay men and rape and hating on straight porn where women usually gets raped makes them feel better or smth who knows
Yea that mindset i will never understand and dont want to ... but i still stand by that, this bl aint that deep.
I think there’s something I need to clarify. This manga is just one of many sources of the problem and I chose to focus more on it because of the comments I’ve been seeing on here but there are definitely wayyyy worse ones I’ve seen that are extremely popular but still beloved just because red flag ‘takes care’ of the uke who didn’t even want to be involved with him in the first place.
The fact is this manga is a really good example of this problem due to its popularity and the fan base. it’s been at the center of the issue since its release. Fact is as well on why some are talking about it and having discussions is to try and mitigate the demand for these kinds of content. Cause these aren’t just being made just because the authors can anymore. They’re taking note of the popular mangas tropes and using it to push their mangas and it works. As long as there is demand for this kind of content it will definitely be made.
As longs as the demand is high the quantity is gonna get even higher, unfortunately thats how marketing works ╮(￣▽￣)╭.
Yeah… im certain that’s what I stated in my response. Just be causes there’s demand for something doesn’t mean that something is good
Love your honesty and nuance. Ameen
Praying you find a green flag manga in your recommendations tonight
This whole chapter really reminds me of the ethical battle that keeps coming up and I think it was chosen specifically: is a husband right for choosing to steal medicine he can’t afford to save his dying wife or is it wrong since the medicine he stole was going to be used to save tens of hundreds of other people? I don’t think this necessarily makes the seme a red flag but rather that he and the uke are supposed to represent 2 sides to a pretty complex situation.
On one hand, if you continue to pardon theft then it will increase (tbh him being killed was extreme). On the other, if he didn’t his son would probably have been really sick. Before I continue though, the first thing that came to mind was why didn’t he just ask for help? Why did he choose to hide that his son was sick? I don’t think his son would’ve have been casted out just because he was chronically ill when they got old ppl around, sooo I feel like it’s something he knew that would’ve caused a lot of issues like him being infected.
Eitherway, to judge whether or not the action was ethical, we can look at it from a few ethical theories: deontology and teleology (there are more but I ain’t discussing allat). In deontology, it basically says it’s one duty to carry out a task or action as long as they are able to. They shall not lie and they don’t exactly act in a person’s best interest but instead for the very fact that if you can save someone you have to and if your role is to be an executor you must carry out that task. So Guwon would have been the one in the right following deontology since the father committed an act of stealing.
Next in teleology, it monitors a situation’s ethics by the amount of ‘happiness’ (the benefits) that are produced by it. If there are more negatives than positive, the act is said to be unethical regardless of what it is. Once again Guwon would be in the right because 1. Steal medicine everyone mad. 2. Only 2 people would have benefitted.
Buttttt this issue stems a bit outside that since it’s not like he was some rando. He must of had some form of friends or acquaintances so why was it so easy for him to be out to death regardless of the rules in place? That’s the point and why I think this whole village is reallyyyy following deontology principles to a T. Dunno if there’s just that apathetic but they clearly believe that only by sticking to these rules will their lives be peaceful and they don’t allow even a stray hair out of place.
Anyway that’s just me yapping because I saw how many were upset with what happened (rightfully so). I had to learn these theories so decided I would share. Do tell your thoughts!
But this is set in a post apocalyptic scene. Any ill person is just a burden so I think the father tried to save the child in order to give him more chances of survival. That villa is all they have. So either the kid died because of the illnes or because they would probably be cast out. From the father pov there was not other option, I think (in regards of why he didn't ask for help).
Kids life should prevail above anyone else's since that's the core of survival/passing genes. Punishing that seems ironic and especially the punishment was too far off. People have gone mad and that's also the point of the story. As soon as society cease to exist as we know it, people act mad.
I also think the ML and the MC represent 2 sides! Tha ks for pointing it out. It helped me to process the chapter better because I was shaken lol
I think the contention is the death penalty
i think first of all it needs to be established that the townspeople are not good people
The reason why I said I don’t think he would’ve been casted out even in a post apocalyptic setting is simply that it goes against what the community SAID they stood for (to an extent). Like it is supposed to be a sort of safe haven regardless of who you are as long as you can carry out your duty. Looking back now too, I think just about everyone is unusually dedicated to their duty too.
You’re definitely correct though, there’s a really high chance he would’ve been casted out especially if the sickness was bad enough that he wouldn’t be able to fulfill his role.
I have also seen a lot of comments talking about how it doesn’t really make sense how they would rather the child die but that’s not the case. Not once was there a proper discussion of the child, everything is focused on the act of stealing and this is done on purpose. If you start taking into account other things to try and justify the action it’s no longer deontology. It would go against the very idea of the community.
See this is why I brought up this argument. Because depending on the view you take, they will either be seen as good or bad and I believe with the current set up, they think of themselves as the good ones. And that’s the whole point.
Think of it like chaotic good for the townspeople, neutrality with a bit of lawful evil for Guwon and for the uke he’s under lawful good.
So the townspeople ultimately make the decision, Guwon respects and carries out the action regardless of how good or bad the decision is and the uke would think how you or the average person does.
I believe this is all on purpose
i had a long ass reply but it all disappeared im mad asfffff but essentially what i think is that the people are taking advantage of guwon's stupid ass. i don't think he knows what good and bad really is, so they gave him this big title of being a leader is and make him do all the dirty work. i don't think he knows what he's doing. i'm going to take a more manhua-esque story route so there's probably some real leader of the town (i'm sticking to this theory for the rest of the comment lol i just think there's a real leader out there which is why everyone is scared of each other e.g. the dad opening the door to the teacher, the lady telling the teacher not to tell anyone where she was). that being said, is the medicine really going to the "hounds" like they said? probably not.
in an apocalyptic world in a town of like 50 people, shouldn't saving as many lives as possible a priority? especially children who are quite literally the next generation of people. if the child really did have the zombie disease, given how cruel they were to the dad for just stealing, they would've probably just killed his son right away if he asked for help
i think im going a little off topic so let me just stop lol my main points is i don't think guwon is bad or good, he has no clue what he's doing. people have probably instilled in his head that killing the one who steals is the only way the town can be saved. i think my ideas rely a lot on my theory of what's happening in the story and less of ethics like you suggested but i enjoyed reading your points too!
You are on to something! I think they are indeed taking advantage of him not knowing anything. They make him do the dirty work and use him just for his physical abilities. They are greedy and selfish and want more for themselves so they punish the ones that go astray to have more.
The MC is probably gonna teach Guwon everything about the human condition and make things overly complicated for the towns people. Probably his dream of them dying will become reality because he came to throw things out of the window.
Yeaaaaaa I definitely see what you mean and it could very well be what’s actually going on. You really have me thinking now lol
You’re not you when you’re hungry
So real
HELP ME I LAUGHED SO HARD AT THIS
It’s the way how I was really feeling this story. At first was realllyyyy hoping it was just a short story with kinky a CONSENTING couple then I saw the whole action part and completely forgot about the first panel cause I’m a big sucker for action and fighting but WHAT THE HELL IS THIS??? FULL ON RAPE AND HE DOESNT EVEN GIVE A SHIT??? I need an ACTUAL GOOD manga with action and it NOT using rape to progress the story/relationship of better yet if you’re gonna use it actually highlight how fucked up it is and not frame it as ‘oh big dick seme fucking his petite uke’ it really fucks up ppls minds to the point that you’ll become desensitized to RL rape.
yuuuuuupppp
Did.. did you miss the warnings in the titles of each chapter as well as the big warnings in the first panels of each chapter? Like you can't miss them?
Wdym you saw the big red warning in every chapter and you thought it was gonna be sweet and consenting. Quite clear it’s gonna be a kinky AND dark story with no real substance. Unfortunately for you guys, there are many people who dig this type of genre, and those tags were there to help yall avoid it lol. But you still come on here, read the whole thing and whine about how toxic it is
Yes I saw the warnings but if you actually read what I said you’d realize that with how I saw the story progressing I thought it would lead elsewhere. I now know that’s wishful thinking. Does not change the fact that the story is still shit and I wasn’t referring to just THIS one in particular. Next time, pay attention to what I am truly bitching about in my comments
Oh no I acknowledge how shit like this is in basically EVERRYY manga (especially the popular ones) and how I’m tired of it. How dare I?? It shouldn’t be this difficult to find a good story without rape or the likes THATS what I was talking about in my comment. Those ppl you’re talking about have mountains of these kinds of stories to read and are honestly the backbone of the problem popularizing shit like this then saying how it’s so hot or whatever when you know damn well if it was to happen to you in RL it would be the most traumatic shit ever. Every chance I’ve had to read about action is always accompanied by rape and some from inconsequential shit. So before you start whining in your replies actually read and see what I’m whining about.
I'm with you in this.
That's right, it's getting tiring to see all these manhwas bl using the same methods and tropes, modus operanti, to get quickly popular without much efforts. It's like they think: oh these dogs like smut and abuse, rape, let's throw them the bone and they'll be satisfied. It's lazy writing and lack of creativity, contempt towards the readers.
There's a lot of manhwas that I don't read or had dropped for the reasons you mention.
If not for all the bdms-ish torture and tasteless porn, Yian's Binding has the potential to touch a larger community even as yaoi. The action scenes are great, agree with you. But who knows for whatever reason the authors had decided to wreack this potential by showing what they show... It's uncomprehensible.
If you haven't read yet D:ZE, maybe you can give it a try. It looks good
Sorry I saw you send a message to me but idk if I accidentally deleted it or smth but I see what you’re talking about! I’m currently reading that and so far it’s pretty good. I put it on hold so I can just binge it in one go, there’s this other one I’d also recommend it’s based on a novel and is reallyyy good (what I’ve read so far anyway). I feel it’s more of a romantic sub plot tho. I believe it’s called The Hunter Wants To Live Quietly.
Raped him?? Drugged him??? Hello??