This whole chapter really reminds me of the ethical battle that keeps coming up and I think it was chosen specifically: is a husband right for choosing to steal medicine he can’t afford to save his dying wife or is it wrong since the medicine he stole was going to be used to save tens of hundreds of other people? I don’t think this necessarily makes the seme a red flag but rather that he and the uke are supposed to represent 2 sides to a pretty complex situation.
On one hand, if you continue to pardon theft then it will increase (tbh him being killed was extreme). On the other, if he didn’t his son would probably have been really sick. Before I continue though, the first thing that came to mind was why didn’t he just ask for help? Why did he choose to hide that his son was sick? I don’t think his son would’ve have been casted out just because he was chronically ill when they got old ppl around, sooo I feel like it’s something he knew that would’ve caused a lot of issues like him being infected.
Eitherway, to judge whether or not the action was ethical, we can look at it from a few ethical theories: deontology and teleology (there are more but I ain’t discussing allat). In deontology, it basically says it’s one duty to carry out a task or action as long as they are able to. They shall not lie and they don’t exactly act in a person’s best interest but instead for the very fact that if you can save someone you have to and if your role is to be an executor you must carry out that task. So Guwon would have been the one in the right following deontology since the father committed an act of stealing.
Next in teleology, it monitors a situation’s ethics by the amount of ‘happiness’ (the benefits) that are produced by it. If there are more negatives than positive, the act is said to be unethical regardless of what it is. Once again Guwon would be in the right because 1. Steal medicine everyone mad. 2. Only 2 people would have benefitted.
Buttttt this issue stems a bit outside that since it’s not like he was some rando. He must of had some form of friends or acquaintances so why was it so easy for him to be out to death regardless of the rules in place? That’s the point and why I think this whole village is reallyyyy following deontology principles to a T. Dunno if there’s just that apathetic but they clearly believe that only by sticking to these rules will their lives be peaceful and they don’t allow even a stray hair out of place.
Anyway that’s just me yapping because I saw how many were upset with what happened (rightfully so). I had to learn these theories so decided I would share. Do tell your thoughts!
But this is set in a post apocalyptic scene. Any ill person is just a burden so I think the father tried to save the child in order to give him more chances of survival. That villa is all they have. So either the kid died because of the illnes or because they would probably be cast out. From the father pov there was not other option, I think (in regards of why he didn't ask for help).
Kids life should prevail above anyone else's since that's the core of survival/passing genes. Punishing that seems ironic and especially the punishment was too far off. People have gone mad and that's also the point of the story. As soon as society cease to exist as we know it, people act mad.
I also think the ML and the MC represent 2 sides! Tha ks for pointing it out. It helped me to process the chapter better because I was shaken lol
I think the contention is the death penalty
i think first of all it needs to be established that the townspeople are not good people
The reason why I said I don’t think he would’ve been casted out even in a post apocalyptic setting is simply that it goes against what the community SAID they stood for (to an extent). Like it is supposed to be a sort of safe haven regardless of who you are as long as you can carry out your duty. Looking back now too, I think just about everyone is unusually dedicated to their duty too.
You’re definitely correct though, there’s a really high chance he would’ve been casted out especially if the sickness was bad enough that he wouldn’t be able to fulfill his role.
I have also seen a lot of comments talking about how it doesn’t really make sense how they would rather the child die but that’s not the case. Not once was there a proper discussion of the child, everything is focused on the act of stealing and this is done on purpose. If you start taking into account other things to try and justify the action it’s no longer deontology. It would go against the very idea of the community.
See this is why I brought up this argument. Because depending on the view you take, they will either be seen as good or bad and I believe with the current set up, they think of themselves as the good ones. And that’s the whole point.
Think of it like chaotic good for the townspeople, neutrality with a bit of lawful evil for Guwon and for the uke he’s under lawful good.
So the townspeople ultimately make the decision, Guwon respects and carries out the action regardless of how good or bad the decision is and the uke would think how you or the average person does.
I believe this is all on purpose
i had a long ass reply but it all disappeared im mad asfffff but essentially what i think is that the people are taking advantage of guwon's stupid ass. i don't think he knows what good and bad really is, so they gave him this big title of being a leader is and make him do all the dirty work. i don't think he knows what he's doing. i'm going to take a more manhua-esque story route so there's probably some real leader of the town (i'm sticking to this theory for the rest of the comment lol i just think there's a real leader out there which is why everyone is scared of each other e.g. the dad opening the door to the teacher, the lady telling the teacher not to tell anyone where she was). that being said, is the medicine really going to the "hounds" like they said? probably not.
in an apocalyptic world in a town of like 50 people, shouldn't saving as many lives as possible a priority? especially children who are quite literally the next generation of people. if the child really did have the zombie disease, given how cruel they were to the dad for just stealing, they would've probably just killed his son right away if he asked for help
i think im going a little off topic so let me just stop lol my main points is i don't think guwon is bad or good, he has no clue what he's doing. people have probably instilled in his head that killing the one who steals is the only way the town can be saved. i think my ideas rely a lot on my theory of what's happening in the story and less of ethics like you suggested but i enjoyed reading your points too!
You are on to something! I think they are indeed taking advantage of him not knowing anything. They make him do the dirty work and use him just for his physical abilities. They are greedy and selfish and want more for themselves so they punish the ones that go astray to have more.
The MC is probably gonna teach Guwon everything about the human condition and make things overly complicated for the towns people. Probably his dream of them dying will become reality because he came to throw things out of the window.
Yeaaaaaa I definitely see what you mean and it could very well be what’s actually going on. You really have me thinking now lol
You’re not you when you’re hungry
So real
HELP ME I LAUGHED SO HARD AT THIS
It’s the way how I was really feeling this story. At first was realllyyyy hoping it was just a short story with kinky a CONSENTING couple then I saw the whole action part and completely forgot about the first panel cause I’m a big sucker for action and fighting but WHAT THE HELL IS THIS??? FULL ON RAPE AND HE DOESNT EVEN GIVE A SHIT??? I need an ACTUAL GOOD manga with action and it NOT using rape to progress the story/relationship of better yet if you’re gonna use it actually highlight how fucked up it is and not frame it as ‘oh big dick seme fucking his petite uke’ it really fucks up ppls minds to the point that you’ll become desensitized to RL rape.
yuuuuuupppp
Did.. did you miss the warnings in the titles of each chapter as well as the big warnings in the first panels of each chapter? Like you can't miss them?
Wdym you saw the big red warning in every chapter and you thought it was gonna be sweet and consenting. Quite clear it’s gonna be a kinky AND dark story with no real substance. Unfortunately for you guys, there are many people who dig this type of genre, and those tags were there to help yall avoid it lol. But you still come on here, read the whole thing and whine about how toxic it is
Yes I saw the warnings but if you actually read what I said you’d realize that with how I saw the story progressing I thought it would lead elsewhere. I now know that’s wishful thinking. Does not change the fact that the story is still shit and I wasn’t referring to just THIS one in particular. Next time, pay attention to what I am truly bitching about in my comments
Oh no I acknowledge how shit like this is in basically EVERRYY manga (especially the popular ones) and how I’m tired of it. How dare I?? It shouldn’t be this difficult to find a good story without rape or the likes THATS what I was talking about in my comment. Those ppl you’re talking about have mountains of these kinds of stories to read and are honestly the backbone of the problem popularizing shit like this then saying how it’s so hot or whatever when you know damn well if it was to happen to you in RL it would be the most traumatic shit ever. Every chance I’ve had to read about action is always accompanied by rape and some from inconsequential shit. So before you start whining in your replies actually read and see what I’m whining about.
I'm with you in this.
That's right, it's getting tiring to see all these manhwas bl using the same methods and tropes, modus operanti, to get quickly popular without much efforts. It's like they think: oh these dogs like smut and abuse, rape, let's throw them the bone and they'll be satisfied. It's lazy writing and lack of creativity, contempt towards the readers.
There's a lot of manhwas that I don't read or had dropped for the reasons you mention.
If not for all the bdms-ish torture and tasteless porn, Yian's Binding has the potential to touch a larger community even as yaoi. The action scenes are great, agree with you. But who knows for whatever reason the authors had decided to wreack this potential by showing what they show... It's uncomprehensible.
If you haven't read yet D:ZE, maybe you can give it a try. It looks good
Sorry I saw you send a message to me but idk if I accidentally deleted it or smth but I see what you’re talking about! I’m currently reading that and so far it’s pretty good. I put it on hold so I can just binge it in one go, there’s this other one I’d also recommend it’s based on a novel and is reallyyy good (what I’ve read so far anyway). I feel it’s more of a romantic sub plot tho. I believe it’s called The Hunter Wants To Live Quietly.
Honestly it looks pretty good but didn’t they say the ML JUST became an adult??? An the MC is 29???? And it’s implied that the kid he saved 11 years ago is the ML. Idk it’s throwing me off
In Japan their coking of age ceremony, when they're considered an adult, is at 20
The way their relationship developed is kinda iffy to me cause it’s like the top just forced his feelings onto the bottom then got upset after. Like it’s good to have some backbone(ish) but to go out if ur way to kiss and practically have sex with someone who you admit was very much drunk then getting upset the next day cause he wasn’t on the same track is kinda hypocritical. I’d expect at least for him to confess but still keep his hands to himself and not go all the way when u don’t even know your partner’s feelings… I just feel like there was a ton of shit the bottom was supposed to address and deal with first before they got together but Yaoi mangas prioritize sex over story so
110% agree!!! I've been saying this from day one!
They literally have no chemistry and it’s so forced.
Idk why it’s such a common theme in yaoi(this doesn’t even count as BL) mangas where they’re always like ‘oh the seme stubbed his toe when he was little and uke helped but seme decided to take it personally AND RAPE THEM CAUSE THEY THINK ITS AN EQUIVALENT TO WHAT THEYVE BEEN THEOUGH?? Like sure they art was good and all but to have rape that isn’t even discussed as something that’s actually bad and only has the uke suddenly forgiving the seme is just… and most times the ‘love’ the uke has for the Seme doesn’t even look to be that degree it’s always so forced just because ‘oh boy on boy action.’ Like cmon it’s not that hard to make a story (even with gangs and such) that doesn’t involve rape(or does but actually addresses it properly and develops the relationship properly). But, these type of stories are always so popular just because it has sex even it’s non consensual..
It was going so well like they were having heart to heart and shit so what is up with that ending????? I truly hope it’s just mislead and that this dude isn’t fabricating anything to manipulate him...
Mb guys you can say he’s a red flag now
Maybe even black