Cass July 13, 2024 10:37 am

To mr/miss SIOPRO?
Reading these comments is wild. I guess after reading multiple arguments I agree with most of it. I can definitely agree with the points brought up about how it shouldn't be listed as shounen. I think that's totally valid. I also agree with most points about the unfair popularity that fetish work gets above other genres.
I feel iffy about the way everybody is addressed as a pedophile or permissive of them at the very least. I really can't understand the argument you present but I think that's just cuz I'm bad at reading angry text and not that it has no basis.

I can understand the argument that it negatively affects people because it most definitely does. I mean they've done studies about it on porn but I also think it's a huge oversight to assume everybody's baseline actions and backgrounds surrounding their reading is the same. I know for me when I read disturbing work, be it gratuitous violence or taboo sexual content, I take time to listen to people's opinions and sort out my own feelings to make sure the bleed of what I read doesn't affect my real life since I'm older and can do that now. Something which other people might not do or not know how. On the flip side some people will be less affected or go through more precautions.

(Also, I've been pretty messed up by the Internet as a kid and I never really learned how to walk back bad habits so if you do have a link to how to that I would really appreciate it. I wanna get better but I'm aware that right now I don't know how to do it effectively and you seem fairly knowledgeable ma'am/sir.)

I don't really condone the manga, I certainly would never share it because I understand that it is fetish content that really shouldn't be given any platform. However, I wouldn't really condemn the people reading that stand neutrally and from what I could gather you, know that too I think? Some people are just trying to defend their own actions, which I think is fair because who would know you better than yourself. I also think maybe the amount of arguing you have to do makes you less open to that gray area?

I guess my main question is, I would be extremely tired having to argue so much with stubborn people. Don't you think it would be time better spent to put out blanket warnings for new readers to discourage those who shouldn't read rather than argue with those who would probably never stop? I know that when I clicked and reviewed the comments it wasn't your comments that made me pause but rather a different user who commented that the updates turned more sexual, which I wasn't cool with. And I don't know you, maybe you enjoy the fighting, heaven knows some people here ARE that disgusting and perverted but shouldn't you target those people more heavily? Some people you get into sparring matches with are just saying these comments are crazy.

Anyways I'm rooting for you against those actual crazy people but maybe don't try to take on everyone? And if you do respond please try to be polite if possible. I just wanna understand and talk, maybe get a link

    H0rny JellyFiSh July 13, 2024 12:35 pm

    SIOPRO vs. the Forces of Evil lmaoo

    Fighting those crazy mangago users and slowly losing their own sanity ROFLCOPTER

    SIOPRO July 13, 2024 2:18 pm

    Lmfaooo it’s so sad that it has come up to this, I don’t want to scare you because you are a sensible one.

    I understand that I should not waste my time on people who called these comments scary but instead on those that dead ass said weird comments.
    But you see, those are hopeless cases. Viewing their profile in itself showed proof. Not only that, I’ve spoken to few, none replied. It’s actually scary since people can text each other on mangago and these people run free but there is another assumption I made is that they poke fun at the people who comment “pedo”. So I cannot assume one actually is a pedophile or not, either way I don’t think anyone would like to interact with them at all after these comments. I’ve also reported those users so one doesn’t come across them somewhere else and doesn’t know they are pedophiles. I’ve taken two more actions against them as well, like asked someone to add them to a pedo list too.

    Now the thing is, I’m a little guiltyyyy I love arguing. Debate has been my plus point and is favourite. But I don’t just aimlessly argue either, I know when to not give a fuck. You’ll see I only reply to the ones who are very arrogant and not only that they’re confidently wrong. It pissed me off so much that how can one NOT PROVE ANYTHING but be so confident in the wrong they say? I make them realise they’re wrong and it’s been working pretty well. Also they believe “doing anything on an illegal site will not fix anything” when it actually does a LOT. And one more thing I’m very stubborn and I will keep on proving my point. My friends also view my arguments and they asked me the same thing, to just give up lol but u see this is my free year and I usually reply when I’m free and that is during the night or sometimes during noon when I’m done w stuff and don’t have to go anywhere, this also improves my skill too overall.

    SIOPRO July 13, 2024 2:24 pm

    And you see I also have my boundaries. I’ve tried to form a link initially but they were way too arrogant. Also, I wouldn’t really want to link with people who are defending themselves against this, I understand that people have preferences and defending themselves is fair, but sometimes, as in this case you gotta admit the shit you read is fucked up. I believe you’ve read most of my arguments, you’ll see how they initially reacted, how rude they were, I’ll be honest I wasn’t any less rude ( I have become actually ) but it’s just since I’ve been tackling a lot of these people, I’ve eventually become hostile in general, I admit but let’s bffr it’s not just me. Some even accused me of saying SLURS when I’ve always started the conversion passively aggressively yes but not outright rude.

    SIOPRO July 13, 2024 2:27 pm

    Also I’ve been saying this a lot of times, the AUTHOR is the pedophile. When I mention pedophile it’s the author, then they would get defensive suddenly and start justifying themselves when I clearly said the author was pedo so I’d be like “yo why you getting pressed you a pedo too?” Because why would they be getting pressed? Still, some did say some concerning things so some are pedos but not the general audience. They just want to, defend. Let this continue. But honestly I don’t get who would enjoy this story as something “cutesy” after what has been shown.

    SIOPRO July 13, 2024 2:29 pm

    Also, I’ve actually put up two warnings before, probably worked or did not but I did put it up, now I’m just either replying back to other people from way back I had written to or recent ones. I just target the ones who are arrogant and are trying to JUSTIFY THIS. Because if one reads their comment, one would think it’s right to read the story too don’t you think?

    SIOPRO July 13, 2024 2:33 pm

    Yes and I know the neutral people who say “timeskip weird and not my thing” went and read till chapter 99 is my grey area, but I can never argue against them because they eventually realised it or were suddenly bombed by that realisation because it happened very late into the chapters or are just straight up trying to hide the fact that they like it. What can I say against them? I mean, even if I do, they’ll back it up, they have ample possibilities too, so that would take a toll on me actually, so I would avoid that. And moreover I actually replied to only ones I had commented way back, recently I commented a few because I had come to check the reply to the ones i had argued w way back before. I only target ones who are so sure of themselves but are wrong very wrong.

    Breathin_sunshine July 13, 2024 7:13 pm
    Also, I’ve actually put up two warnings before, probably worked or did not but I did put it up, now I’m just either replying back to other people from way back I had written to or recent ones. I just target... SIOPRO

    I'm just gonna write my replies in this one post bc I'm super bad at keeping track of replies haha.

    I didn't know about the chatting stuff on here since I just read a lot and almost never comment. I think it's cool that you report the actual weirdos that could pose actual risks to people.

    I'm not that proactive so I'll admit that I find it a bit hard to fully understand the way you enjoy debate but I'm glad ur not just spiralling into madness lmao.

    In regards to this specific story being fucked up, I'm not the best judge because I think about worse stories I read. For me, in this one a kid likes an older boy and for the most part it's just funny miscommunication and understanding that for anything to happen they all need to be older. I didn't read any updates since the part where they were at the school festival so that was all I thought up until last night where I checked and people talked about the new updates. It's definitely not the same story I remember it as but I think it's also not the worst thing in the world as long as nothing happens when people are underage. Again, not a good judge for this and we're clearly going to differ here on how bad this work is.

    About the author, I didn't know. I think fundamentally we'll view the extent of actions worth persecuting different. If they're actually under the law a pedophile or if there's provable actions that harmed people, absolutely I think they should die in a shit hole. But if they just draw weird shit I know I'm liable to ignore people like that and from the small amount I glean about you, you definitely wouldn't lmao. I don't know anything about the author and that probably won't change since I won't keep reading this manga.
    On the topic though, I think it makes total sense that some, emphasis on some, people would lash out about the author being weird. In our society you can't deny that people are harshly judged on what they enjoy and by proxy who created what they enjoy. It's why cancel culture works so well. To think of yourself as being associated with pedophiles when you yourself know you're not can be a huge point to defend for some people. When I was a kid I was scared that pedophilia was genetic because my dad was like that so I lashed out to an extreme degree to even a simple joke about being a pedo. It probably looked super suspicious but I know my reasoning even if I couldn't explain my irrational fears. So I don't think we'll agree but I am saying that there's other perspectives we may not know.

    About the comments, cool! I'm glad u have and I guarantee it probably did deter people who would've disliked what they would read. For your question, no I don't think it would make people think it was normal if they had morals against that shit. I think the fucking creeps that are into Lolita are creeps because I read the novel and know in how many places they're wrong but even when I hadn't read the book, I thought it was gross that they seemed to sexualize someone who was a kid. I'm not a saint in any capacity but I have morals and when I read comments loving things I don't agree with I don't think they're right, I just hella avoid that book. Like Metamorphosis, I avoid that shit because I hate forced miscarriages but some people were jerking to it and when I saw those comments I didn't think they were right or that I was the minority, I thought I should fucking dip and never read it.

    And to end it, yeah people were hella rude to you and you didn't always start it. I think it's crazy to make up random things you did to attack you and I read one thread with you and one lady in stem and you guys were hella rude and I felt bad just reading it haha. However, I think in some you did start very aggressively to generally kinda placid comments. I'm not defending them, just reminding that nobody handles conflict super amazingly. I hope you have a good time debating people haha and if you ever find that link I asked about I would love to see it.

    SIOPRO July 14, 2024 6:14 am
    I'm just gonna write my replies in this one post bc I'm super bad at keeping track of replies haha. I didn't know about the chatting stuff on here since I just read a lot and almost never comment. I think it's ... Breathin_sunshine

    You might’ve been the coolest and most sensible person out here! It felt great talking to you, such a fresh breathe of air. Although we do not agree on few terms, I’m actually not pissed and I love how well you handled it. This makes me feel like you are a safe person, you are reliable. I’m glad my comments weren’t just in vain as people like you are out there, and yes, I’ll try speaking to them respectfully. I must admit I was just pissed at this comment section in general where I ended up scolding everybody in general.

    You see, I’ve also read fucked up shit too, like incest and necrophilia but, it wasn’t labelled this way, as in it wasn’t justified.

    This is the most blurry concept I’ve seen, it’s letting the erotic visions of children slide in the form of “cutesy wholesome manhwa”.

    You can’t compare it w fucked up shit; for example if I read pedophilia, I won’t find anyone cute, I’ll dislike the pedo to the point of wanting him dead and root for the victim’s justification.
    For example if I read crime, I won’t find anything cute, I’ll be intrigued in that case.

    It will be weird if I found the pedo and the child’s victim cute, it’ll be weird if I found a rape case or a murder cute, that’s what I’m saying.

    SIOPRO July 14, 2024 6:15 am
    You might’ve been the coolest and most sensible person out here! It felt great talking to you, such a fresh breathe of air. Although we do not agree on few terms, I’m actually not pissed and I love how well... SIOPRO

    Breath* pardon my grammar a bit

    Breathin_sunshine July 15, 2024 2:09 am
    You might’ve been the coolest and most sensible person out here! It felt great talking to you, such a fresh breathe of air. Although we do not agree on few terms, I’m actually not pissed and I love how well... SIOPRO

    Okay this I completely can agree with it. Now that I can understand your viewpoint this can be pretty disgusting shit. For me in specific I'm an older sibling and children are so far divorced from acting like this that when I read this stuff it's automatically fiction. Like Scooby Doo is a "dog" but I would never assume a dog to be like Scooby Doo.

    The way you put it makes a lot of sense. Again, my brain just filters out the blurriness of it because I would never think a child to act like this. But I can agree that it does allow people who are more deranged to believe that children act this way or even people who aren't around children to assume they can think this way.


    Thanks for the new perspective and I guess even though I don't view it that way I should be more wary of who might be reading it as well.

    Breathin_sunshine July 15, 2024 2:13 am
    Okay this I completely can agree with it. Now that I can understand your viewpoint this can be pretty disgusting shit. For me in specific I'm an older sibling and children are so far divorced from acting like t... Breathin_sunshine

    In pretty much all stories of fiction that are manga or manwha revolving romance at all. They're usually so fucking bad at depicting how annoying or gross kids actually are. Or mean! It's actually a huge pet peeve of mine when I read all those manwha about the FL suddenly being a new mom or nanny. None of those kids act like kids dude. Don't even get me started on all the sibling duos but they never fight or argue and the brother is all adoring.

    SIOPRO July 15, 2024 9:18 am
    In pretty much all stories of fiction that are manga or manwha revolving romance at all. They're usually so fucking bad at depicting how annoying or gross kids actually are. Or mean! It's actually a huge pet pe... Breathin_sunshine

    FOR REAL ON THIS BRO it feels so fake and forced. They seem like teens or adults straight up never kids. I’ve read only one Manhwa where a kid acts like an actual child. I agree so bad, it could be shown from that perspective more, that yuu would be straight up annoyed, no, yuu is just “hesitating”

    SIOPRO July 15, 2024 9:21 am
    Okay this I completely can agree with it. Now that I can understand your viewpoint this can be pretty disgusting shit. For me in specific I'm an older sibling and children are so far divorced from acting like t... Breathin_sunshine

    Yes because if I’m being honest, everybody or maximum out here thinks so too. But when I tell everyone that now they aren’t even trying to HIDE IT and you all should feel weird and had tried to tell them MY perspective, that is, the author is selling borderline hidden pedo stuff legally to the ones that want it (they know that these stuff are not “wholesome”), these people lose it.

    “Fiction doesn’t affect reality” but this isn’t about fiction or reality

    Breathin_sunshine July 15, 2024 7:21 pm
    Yes because if I’m being honest, everybody or maximum out here thinks so too. But when I tell everyone that now they aren’t even trying to HIDE IT and you all should feel weird and had tried to tell them MY... SIOPRO

    I think a big problem is you lose people when you argue that it affects reality because you're basing it on two different viewpoint of reality. To some of the people you're commenting to, when they say fiction doesn't affect reality they're meaning, "fiction I'm reading is not affecting MY reality in a negative way" and you're saying "in the larger scheme of the reader base, this fiction is affecting certain people very badly in the real world." And so the nuance of what makes this story so iffy is lost in translation.

    I would say it's really wording and thought processing that make it so hard to debate this topic. Most people are assured that they're not the ones perpetuating anything so an attack on a group they're in makes them angry. Like the whole not all men issue where regular men who don't understand what women are saying will become angry at the idea of being lumped with misogynists or worse.
    In their view you're reducing them to pedophiles while in your view you're alerting them to issues that arise in general from the manga.

    Breathin_sunshine July 15, 2024 7:30 pm
    FOR REAL ON THIS BRO it feels so fake and forced. They seem like teens or adults straight up never kids. I’ve read only one Manhwa where a kid acts like an actual child. I agree so bad, it could be shown from... SIOPRO

    I find that more sad family centered manga show children in the most realistic light. If it's too happy they almost gloss over the kid as an accessory which is so annoying. You're gonna look me in the eyes and tell me a kid isn't going to throw a tantrum over you completely rearranging their room? Really?? That this kid isn't gonna harbor the meanest fucking grudge over you coming home late that lasts like 7 years?
    Do you remember the name of the manga? I'm desperate :')


    That would be super interesting for this story. I hated reading the comments and learning the friends fully supported him. It would've been so interesting if the girl friend tried to get involved in stopping what was happening as subtly as possible until they were older. And then they could keep the romance until they're older and she wouldn't be a weirdo supporting her friend being into a kid. And think of the comedy, this teen girl dressing up as a grandpa to interrupt them or something.

    SIOPRO July 16, 2024 9:09 am
    I think a big problem is you lose people when you argue that it affects reality because you're basing it on two different viewpoint of reality. To some of the people you're commenting to, when they say fiction ... Breathin_sunshine

    Exactly. Initially I was careful with the wording so as to not offend anyone but offend the ones who are actually in the wrong. But the backlash I received, yeah after that I just didn’t give a fuck. Some did get my point tho but maximum just get offended and defensive instead of trying to understand my point.

    SIOPRO July 16, 2024 9:13 am
    I find that more sad family centered manga show children in the most realistic light. If it's too happy they almost gloss over the kid as an accessory which is so annoying. You're gonna look me in the eyes and ... Breathin_sunshine

    Yes the name is “My mom entered a contract marriage”
    Here also the child is depicted wrongly but if you compare it to any Manhwa which is a happy go lucky shit this would be very close to making the child a little realistic

    Breathin_sunshine July 16, 2024 7:50 pm
    Yes the name is “My mom entered a contract marriage”Here also the child is depicted wrongly but if you compare it to any Manhwa which is a happy go lucky shit this would be very close to making the child a ... SIOPRO

    Thanks >:D

    SIOPRO July 17, 2024 3:32 am
    Thanks >:D Breathin_sunshine

    Welcome!

Cass January 15, 2021 9:55 pm

Idk man, I'm sad but I don't get why we're crying? The whole point of this comic is that losing is necessary, it's both freeing and also a true measure of character. I loved blue haired kid and I'm sad he lost but look at his eyes now. He lost and he's the happiest he's been, he got up and tried and even though he lost he ultimately acheived his goal. Same for the skinny dude in the lightweight championship, losing isn't important, that's why it's not inherently narratively important whether Yu loses or not, Yu is empty in his winning streak and those who lose have learned to improve upon themselves.

    hannahfaithh January 19, 2021 6:24 pm

    because people can cry when they're sad? tf

    Cass January 21, 2021 8:29 am
    because people can cry when they're sad? tf hannahfaithh

    Lmao maybe I didn't express myself properly. I'm a huge crybaby, I just didn't feel like him losing had the emotional impact that losing has in other comics.

Cass August 23, 2020 8:35 am

I just think it's kinda hypocritical that in the story Athy is hated for wanting affection from her father and that all her actions made the people in the story dislike her but then the people who hate that they did that in universe also diss on Jeanette super harshly in real life. Dude Jeanette is a kid man, she's lonely and I relate on some level. Just leave her alone ( ̄へ ̄)

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