Fun we comes where the seme falls first and/or harder? Anything like can't think straight or pride and persistence. Idc for sex so shounen-ai is also fine, just no rapé, no abuse, just some comedy. Can be slice of life or fantasy, or wtv, just not ABO, please
Seme falls harder: https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/1995_youth_report/
Seme falls first and harder: https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/my_guildmate_next_door_shortcut_scans/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/he_is_that_guy/
Seme falls first:
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/unrequited_love_rendezvous/
Shounen-ai with kids MCs but NOT shotacon, please! Only fluff pure sweet things. Not teens/high schoolers, but kids
Anything like the beginning of To Deny the Route or Akuyaku no Goreisoku no Dounika Shitai Nichijou. You know how stories with kid MCs starts setting a future romance and the feelings of first love is already there? I want that, except it's mlm instead of mlw. Don't even need to be the focus, anything like childcare stories, they usually pair up a baby boy and a baby girl.
No yaoi or stories where the MC is only a kid on the first chapter, I want cuteness, the fluffiness, I wanna watch the innocence of a first love blooming when you don't even know what love is. The whole "I'm gonna marry him" said sincerely because the fact that same sex marriage wasn't legal isn't something a kid knows, etc etc etc.
i think this fits
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/salad_days_tang_liuzang/
Recommend me some very toxic BL but either shounen-ai or very little focus on sex.
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/bait/
this is more a psychological read super plot heavy..I'd def check out the psychological+shounen ai to find more
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/stalker_s_game/
Yaoi where the couple are violent with each other but not abusive per se, like Aesthetics of Unpleasantness and Peace of God? NOT bdsm
Like, I know there's some abusive in AoU, but later they remain violent WITHOUT the abuse, it's just their dynamic
little confused on "no bdsm" because I'd say the works you've mentioned here feature sm. each word in the acronym doesn't necessarily all have to be present at the same time. it seems like you want stuff with sadomasochism without a strongly defined D/s or master/slave dynamic, or masochists who aren't exactly submissive.
don't think it's entirely on the mark, but the first things coming to mind are sneaky red by thanat and yoru wa tomodachi by ido gihou, and the side couple from lovesick dog by songhyel
Thanks for the recommendations!!
BTW, I meant no bdsm as in the violence being just a sexually satisfying practice, I want violence in their relationship that goes beyond the I hurt them in the bedroom only and there's never real rage (or anger/hatred, works too), behind it.
I want violence that is not established as just a sexual practice. They are actually violent towards one another, people who fight (at least in the beginning), and fuck and sometimes they do both simultaneously.
Yeah, in both works we have masochists (and a sadist) men, but I'm looking for moments of genuine rage, not just a performance of violence.
Causing pain with toys and slaps is cool and wtv, but I want faces getting punched, noses bleeding, etc, like a fight. Where they go to bed about it.
oh, I think I get what you mean better now... like a tension between the characters that expresses itself physically in the form of violence before turning to the sexual. butting heads till sparks fly and then the burning starts. tricky to find examples of it that I like since it's not often done in a way that's mutual or not just one overpowering/abusing the other. have you read perfect buddy? and if you're okay with a danmei novel, "faraway wanderers" by priest that has a bit of that dynamic.
I'll come back to this if I think of more

I'm asking for a specific dead dove, just to safe warn anyone who gets uncomfy with yaoi-typical toxicity.
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Anybody knows a yaoi with noncon/dub on towards incubi?
I'm think because of their species and how their body work, no matter what's done to them, they'd have to enjoy it ,that'd be pretty fucked up, they'd hate it but their body biologically needs it. I wanna see that
noncon from both seme & uke actually,
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/contract_carefully/ (ch 3, noncon from seme unto uke.)
mrm has an incubus tag
also sorry, accidently disliked