TerracottaPie

Congrats! This changes nothing! Waterside Night fans will still continue to like it (▰˘◡˘▰)

Since we are throwing around opinions, my opinion is that readers nowadays can't read complex characters, storylines that arent happy go lucky. "Healthy relationships" are nice to read but some of us like depth, destruction and salvation. Some of us like good character depth and complicated plots that dont go in a straight mediocre line ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

I love how y'all assume just because someone hates on a particular rape fetish manhwa they automatically can't handle anything other than pure fluff and healthy relationships. Or conversely, that just because something has "destruction" and "salvation" it's automatically deep. Everything you listed is great if executed well. One of my favourite BLs deals with child trafficking and abuse and the main characters aren't exactly saints. Stop pretending your fetish manhwa is deep when half the comments want "old man yaoi rape," pregnancy sex and are just being horny lol. You're free to like whatever you want and I'm free to hate on whatever I want.

“depth” and it’s just rape fetish content and a uke who can’t stand up for himself

"good character depth and complicated plots" and it's just a story about a rapist getting redemption ltit fans always on some bs

These days if you're a BL author and want your character to be "deep" just make him a rapist, have him shed 2 tears, do a 180 and become husband material overnight and you've got yourself a dedicated fandom. Also love the implication that a story with a healthy relationship can't have any depth.

RIGHT. also its so funny to me that these people think a good dark psychological story with depth can't exist without brushing over or excusing rape. those are literally my favourite kind of stories, but these people will never read them cuz now that's something that requires actual comprehension skills. & ykw? i read the latest side of ltit, cuz the comments were literally so excited over how one of the characters who is indirectly responsible for the mc being raped is punished (and his punishment is becoming a sex slave ie being raped for the rest of his life). and they're glazing the male lead at the same time? like? are second chances only allowed for characters who actually rape someone? taeju walks away free but the other guy suffers for the rest of his life? but again expecting smth good from this author and readers is insanity in the first place.

what's ur fav that u mentioned btw.. is it happy of the end?

I read those comments. That was literally my last straw. I avoid that fandom like the plague because of how insane they can be and I never would've made this post if they didn't exceed my expectations each time I thought they've hit rock bottom. They don't really believe in redemption as much as they try to claim that. They believe in instant gratification. The gratification of seeing a "toxic ML" be so regretful and changing through the power of love or whatever BS they believe in (even though that would realistically never ever happen) and the gratification of seeing the villain be "punished." Their idea of justice is so childish it's pathetic. If they believed in redemption they would extend that grace to every character as long as they cry and regret their actions. Also wasn't the ML the one who sold the guy into sexual slavery in the first place? (I haven't read the sides. They gross me out). And we're supposed to believe he redeemed himself? I saw comments wishing to see "old man yaoi rape" with 60 upvotes and I'm supposed to believe these people really read that garbage for the "depth" and the "salvation" and not to jerk off to rape? Idk who they're trying to fool atp.

I haven't read that yet but I've been wanting to for a while. My fave is Canis (specifically The Speaker, vols 4 to 7). It handles trafficking so realistically in terms of its effects on the victims and how it operates. It's really good!

So i cant reply to each of yall but rape, muder, and lotsa crimes are committed by these fictional men in these stories. In no way am i glorifying it if i like the damn story?? Lmaooo how short sighted can yall be?? I base my preferences on how they made me feel while i read them. Most stories are so bland and boring, i love stories that make me ache, make me rage, make me laugh. Waterside night is simply one of those stories. And yall cant handle loving tragedy and good stories? Go back to reading whatever makes yall happy. No use trashing stories yall dont like just cuz yall cant understand it? I mean whats the point? Theres some dumb shit in here with no flavour whatsoever but still some readers enjoy it and well thats good for them.

How about yall try not to enforce your opinions on everyone? And yall know im right lol

And for context, i love vagabond, berserk, one piece (all stories universally loved) so um.. im pretty confident in my taste yall piece of shits lmao

And yall @terracottaPie and @gojos cock sleeve
Dont be so emotional about it. Yall confusing fiction with reality. I read many stories that involve criminals, redemption, prisoners and saints. It is absolutely 100% enjoyable for me to see the world in their perspective, how they deal with it, how the story turns out. They all stories in the end.
Yall have got to stop acting like the only opinions that matters are yours. Learn to bend a little

Dang. I was going to offer you the courtesy of a serious reply but you sound really triggered and emotional rn. I don't think you're in the right headspace for an argument. Take a deep breath and go back to enjoying your garbage in peace. You make a lot of baseless assumptions that aren't even worth getting into. No one's trying to force their opinion on you. You decided to comment on someone's post that wasn't even under the manhwa. That's on you. You're not a victim. Stop crying. No one's telling you to stop reading what you like lol.

Nah I mean cmon. You using words like "garbage " "sheer utter hatred" and calling me emotional? Do you see the irony or are you blind too?
And you posted a comment to get others to agree with you right? Not feeling too happy when there are people who dont think like you? Take a break and touch some grass ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

I'm prone to exaggeration sometimes and call a lot of stuff garbage if I don't enjoy it. When I say I hate the fans I hate those with poor reading comprehension skills aka the majority. That's just how I talk. If you disagreed respectfully I would've been more courteous. But not only did you not respond to any of the specific points made by the commenters (which I've seen some Waterside fans agree with), you're making stuff up and arguing with a strawman. Who said they didn't like tragedy? Who said you glorify rape and crime? At least I wrote my post about the fandom in general in an exaggerated and vague way because obviously there are people in that fandom who can think for themselves like any other fandom. I didn't write down your name and call you a piece of shit specifically, did I? I'm sorry some people think your fave story is garbage. It happens. If you touched enough grass you would've known not to take that personally.

they're literally so fucking disgusting, and then they'll tell u oh I'm not reading this cuz I enjoy watching rape or anything. well u clearly do. there were so many comments saying the author should've shown the rape, should make a spinoff about him being raped, one of them literally said 'how is it a punishment if he's getting dicked down by a hot old man'... braindead all of them (well not all, a minority actually had some brains). literally all of them had 50, 60+ likes too and barely any dislikes. also, they're saying well its only fiction but at the same time theyre saying its such a good idea and people like this deserve to get raped irl too. basing ur morals off of a rape fetish comic? putting someone into sexual slavery is enabling the cycle of rape, is producing more rapists, and you're saying that's a good thing and should happen irl? oh but fiction doesn't affect reality sure.

I'm supposed to believe these readers are enjoying it for the 'realistic' plot about the criminal world or whatever when they're saying shit like 'am I weird for wanting to see him getting dicked down (raped) lol' yes u are tf? like, there's other disgusting stuff on here too but at least the readers don't pretend to be on their high horse and admit that they have a fetish. here they'll say well taeju is nice now so its fine, but also wont give the same leverage to other characters. also idk why u have to explain to people that there absolutely can be stories about rape, about abuser x victim relationships, but this isn't the way to write them. at least acknowledge that its a bad trope and bad writing, u can say that and still enjoy it. u don't have to defend everything w ur life, I've read my share of shitty stories and enjoyed them, but if somebody comes up to me and says that bad writing, I'll just agree? cuz its true?

also!!! PLEASE READ HAPPY OF THE END! tw for rape, child prostitution, abuse but nothing glorified of course. there were *some* plot points that idk how i feel about, but its amazing for the most part. funniest part is that its one of the few comics that deals w these subjects w nuance but is rated 8.9... i will never understand mangago ratings. also I'll give the one u mentioned a try! :3

I've come across so many BL fans of rapist x victim stories but I've never seen anything get defended to the extent this one does. It's wild. All because the dude cried and had a panic attack, lol. They're so dishonest. I'm not even ashamed to say I have more respect for people who admit they're rape fetishisers outright than I do for them. They hide their fetish behind a desire for "justice" or compassion for a "redeemed" character. I do enjoy my fair share of problematic stuff too but I won't cry and defend it because I'm self-aware enough to know what the characters do is objectively bad. Their egos are so massive they take any criticism of the story as a personal attack. You can always count on them to bring out the "don't like don't read," "you're reading illegally so you can't be critical," or "you're confusing fiction with reality!" They're so predictable. The last one is especially funny to me because I've seen them seriously argue that rapists can change and that they can become loving partners. Some of them even argue that all couples rape each other at some point (would hate to know how they came to that conclusion). They're all either a bunch of degenerates who disguise their weird little fetishes as morbid curiosity and fascination with the criminal underworld or just really naive. I've seen them rec that manhwa to people who ask for wholesome BLs with siblings. I can't imagine how delusional someone needs to be to think that crap is wholesome in any way. Anyway I can go on and on about how trashy they are lol. Can't wait for the day the sides end so I don't see their brainless comments on feeds anymore. Also will def read that one as soon as I have the time. I'm taking a break from reading to focus on other stuff rn but I promise it'll be the first thing I pick up when I get back to it.

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