Before making a hate thread on someone post the full context motherfucker.
Honestly, the blocking part was a mistake. I was going to block the op of the og post not you but seems like I made a good call.
And the comments of the hate thread are even dumber. When did I say CSA is artistic. I said people who read toxic shit shouldn't be blamed for it and the ones who commit CSA due to fictional influence were bad from the beginning. Normalization of csa, rape or anything bad in fiction doesn't equate to doing it in real life. Your brainless bitch. You dumbfuck.
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I can't believe you're making me side with Jaegang protector
@ gloriouskingkabru since you commented here. This is my reply:-
Which is again a problem with the person. There are lots of books with murder and shit yet you don't see each one of us going and committing that. The population would have lessened a lot if that was the case. If simply reading something in a book is a fuel enough for people to commit it then the concept of morality wouldn't have existed at all.
Again you all should ask some ai bullshit to simplify this because this explanation is clearly not getting through to you.
I am always right i knew this bitch was weird since she blocked me
"Since y'all love to use murder in fiction as an analogy as to why reading this shit is okay let's talk about it. If someone actively writes books or plays games where they seek out a particular group of people such as women or poc to murder and victimize then would it not be really fucking weird? Some time ago there was this story about this guy (i do not remember the name at the moment) who admitted to playing GTA so he could murder the women npc and characters in game, sure it's fictional and it didn't hurt any women in real life but does it not tell you a lot about the kind of person the guy is? About the value he holds? I can tell he's a misogynistic man with fantasies of abusing and murdering women. Now Who do you think goes out of their way to seek content that sexualizes children? I know, it's pedophiles"
Quoting my own comment because i already had to deal with that dumb argument
i just find it weird how all this energy is spent to talk about the “grey areas” of fapping to drawings of children
I haven't even read any works involving children because i myself feel uncomfortable when i see that shit but that doesn't mean I can shit on people who actually do read it and do some morality scale on them. Like make it make sense.
why you arguing like your life depends on it then? i just don’t understand? why does it bother you so much that some people do find it fucked and put a morality scale on it?
Dude I wouldn't have said anything if some bitch didn't make a callout post calling me a pedo.
yeah it’s unfair to call you a pedo just from ur comments and the other dude seems immature for how they’re going about this discourse but i’m ngl to me you are defending the pedo/pedo adjacents community by arguing for those who read sexualised shotacon/lolicon
Just so we're clear i ain't calling them a pedo but they're definitely a weirdo with very fucked up morals since they think that they don't have an issue with fictional CP or with those who fap to it.
yes it’s especially troubling because the topic is CP so i understand the sensitivity around it but the discourse around fiction vs reality is very common and making call out posts and calling them a pdf doesn’t help anybody they’re just going to be more defensive and unwilling to understand the other side. if the other person actually wanted to educate them then there’s so many better ways to go about it..
Definitely i agree on that! but i don't think anyone should take that user's callout posts seriously she's 16
oop lol makes sense but yh both sides are dragging this out, and i love to watch drama go down but it cringes me when people are genuinely stressed over ts
First of all why are we trying to normalize depiction of CSA in story. Normalization is not Representation.CSA shouldn't be normalize in stories unless it a proper representation! Reading toxic stuff doesn't mean you support it in real life. Yes but when it comes to topic that CSA people who actively seek out CSA especially for arousal are usually predators.
I have never even read a single CSA and what do they even mean by normalization. A lot of things are normalized in fiction that doesn't and shouldn't happen in real life. So is it the fault of the person reading or the fault of the person committing the actual crimes?
It doesn't Fucking matter if you haven't read it or not ,your opinion about it says everything. As i said admit you're a weirdo and move on.
Roses are red, violets are blue, that jaegang protector bitch can't read and so can't you.
And my opinion is simply not doing a moral scaling on people depending on what they read lmfao.
Me when i can't defend myself after getting exposed for having fucked up moral compass and justifying fictional CP
Opinion matters! And the fact that you think weirdos fapping to shota/loli porn is normal js bc it's fiction says a lot about u.
Look I get what you're tryna get at and if you never read CSA material before. Why defend it? Normalization is not good whether it's rape, abuse,CSA. It should be handled properly and not be romantize which a lot of works doesn't do right. The concerns when it comes to CSA material those who actively seeking them out are doing so for predatory reasons. Instead of using the word "normalization" You could have just said "Reading". There can be people who read it as a coping mechanism because they when through it but there also people who are predators reading it. Normalization is harmful unlike representations.
I used normalization because op of the og post (where the argument originated from) used it in theirs. I didn't think using this word would have made this much of a difference. I am sorry for the wording then.
And also those stuff like CSA, rape, abuse are irl stuff that do happens that people already have a hard time grasping. With people not believing victims and so on. Teenagers reading it without thinking and thinks it's normal. So normalization is harmful because it will literally bring it out into reality so yeah...I get what you're trynna get at but the word "normalization" is what rubbing me and other people wrong here lol.
Okay. Understandable. Thanks for explaining and sorry for using that word.
advice is to just let them talk. the people on this website will believe in anything without talking to ppl directly involved because it makes them look good, and anyone who believes in what someone else says about a situation without asking everyone is dumb.
"Normalization of artistic CSA doesn't harm real life children, it is the people who couldn't differentiate reality from fiction."
That's literally what you said. As seen in the screenshot. Idk if you actually read "artistic CSA" or not, but the fact that you said "NORMALIZATION" rubbed me the wrong way. Your comment implies that you're fine with CSA being depicted in fiction through erotica, which is still fucking weird imo.
Yeah this mf tryna whitewash what they said and it was fucking weird no amount of context gonna save them idk what are they even trying to say
Damage control, except they're not even bothering to control the damage lmao
This bitch blocked me first and now trying to act innocent
You are focusing on one word instead of the full context. Class illiteracy.
Bc your one word carries the value of a whole Fucking sentence and it's even weirder how you don't even realise it.
Then answer one simple question: shota/loli content, "artistic CSA" and fictional depictions of CSAM, are you fine with them being depicted in fiction through erotica, aka porn, yes or no, I want a simple answer please since I'm illiterate and can only understand those two words?
I am not fine with them. I feel uncomfortable asf about them so I make sure to avoid anything that has those but I wouldn't want to say people who read those are all pedophiles. I would only be concerned if said person ONLY read CSAM. That should be a warrant for arrest and investigation.
Fucking weirdo you're just as weird as the pedos who fap to it.
Fucking dumbass. If anyone faps to that shit then they should be jailed.
Dude stop contradicting yourself and pick a side. First you're saying that you're fine with fictional CP existing and people who fap to it aren't pedophiles but then you turn around and say that they should be jailed?so Which one is it?
I'm going to do you a favor and ask: do you support people reading fictional child porn for funsies?
key word, support, not "don't care", or "don't bother them", just do YOU specifically, support people reading child porn?
Look I didn't know people fap to that shit. I thought they just read it simply out of curiousity or something.
If they read it with a sexual purpose in mind then they should be arrested.
Oh come on, you can't be this gullible, what possible reason would someone have to look up CSAM, fictional or not, other than to satisfy their perverse sexual desires? For the plot? Be for fucking real already.
I think OP is either extremely stupid or just pretending to be ignorant
Or they want to be seen as neutral, willing to have a middle ground discussion about fricking CSAM of all things, when honestly some topics shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt and have debates going on about them, some things are better off classified as either good or bad, and CSAM, FICTIONAL OR NOT, is fucking bad. I'm so done with trying to understand this person lmao
Only talking about fictional here. If they are looking up real child porn then more of a reason to get them jailed. Coming back to fictional, i didn't think people read it to fap? Like how people read lolita (even though it's based on a real incident) out of curiousity despite the horrors in it and also to warn them about CSA. That's why i said people reading fictional CSA every now and then for literal funsies doesn't mean they are being a pedo or going to go out and commit a crime.
1. shock purpose (they're dumb)
2. addiction (if they read it from a young age)
3. straight up "it's edgy" purposes (they're dumb)
4. psychological issues (sexual abuse victims tend to read that stuff too)
5. sexual desire (pedo, your reason)
there are a lot of reasons. it's not good to read it and I don't condone it, but it's not always because they're a pedo and want to abuse children.
Same but one thing is clear that they definitely need help.
Yes, that's what. I don't agree with reading it myself, but not everyone (without sexual purpose) who reads it because they are a pedo or want to abuse children like you said. This is what I wanted to say for so long before people started jumping me for being a pedo or "shotacon" and whatnot. Fucking hell.
not replying to you, just using it as a reference, but see, this is what happens when you ask what you are looking for and not assuming the answer because it sounds like bad. and if you check other thread, huacheng person says they realize the wording was bad and was sorry about it. you guys are why i don't like people here, assuming things because you cannot see anything else but what you see.
Csa material allows people with fantasies of children to not only indulge in said fantasies but use it to groom children
OKay screenshots aren't working. Anyway if anyone wants to actually know the full context before calling someone a pedophile should just go to the very end of this thread:-
https://www.mangago.zone/thing/about/879840/
ure proving her point
Which is? I am a pedo for saying fiction doesn't affect reality?
who said u were a pedo ? they said shotacon. you’re agreeing w someone who actively promotes rape to love stories.. it says a lot about u don’t u think
that’s why u shouldn’t have agreed with them
"Normalization of artistic CSA doesn't harm real life children, it is the people who couldn't differentiate reality from fiction. This whole post feels like it has been taken from those twitter antis who love harrassing others" no amount of context justify this shit btw just admit you're a weirdo and move on
They literally said that op shouldn't call out or harass toxic shippers on a literal porn site and that if they get harassed back they then shouldn't call for help and something along the same vein. "Promoting rape" and it's literally me saying that people shouldn't promote rape in real life. What they like in fiction shouldn't matter if they can separate reality and fiction. Is something this simple too complex of any explanation for you all lol
Fiction does affect reality. I genuinely don't understand how your brain works who do you goes out of their way to make porn of children?? Do you think normal people have fantasies of children that need to be satisfied by "fictional" csam??
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Buddy you said CSA is okay bc no real children is getting harmed bc its fiction and that's q fucking weird shit to say and yes people should get harassed for fiction if it's about CSAM which involves Fucking kids.
Right. I am the weirdo for trying to defend myself from a bunch of people who can't differentiate fiction from reality. Maybe the actual pedos are you all lmfao. Who knows what you all will do in the name of "having read it in a book" or more specifically some yaoi.
Nah tell me a valid reason why would anyone fap to drawings of children? Why not grown man or woman? Why do they have to be kids? And why's it considered illegal to possess CSAM even tho it's fictional?
I don't know why anyone would fap to drawings of children. I ain't some mind reader who can tell what they are thinking. Anything related to CSAM is illegal because it has literal children depicted in it. I would only be concerned if anyone only read about CSAM but if it's a mix of all genres then that's simply an exploration of everything that fiction has to offer.
"I don't know why anyone would fap to drawings of children. I ain't some mind reader" you don't even know why people fap to something and you call others illeterate? Lmao. Mfs fap to it because they're sexually attracted to it. And it's fucking illegal for a reason. It's because they're a PEDOPHILE or don't tell me you don't even know what a pedophile is? Since you aren't a mind reader!
I didn't know people fapped to fictional shit. I know what pedophiles are.
I advice you to not interact with such person next time. People are easily influenced here
Yeah. Thanks. I will remember that. I was literally agreeing with them ugh whatever.