new transphobic bill in india

Your comment is heavily biased with ZERO sources so please. let me add things WITH sources.

1. Anger to not be able to self identity
- you talked about "self identity" being a problem, which you are correct, that is one, not "THE" but ONE of the biggest issue the community face. and you mentioned about examination from doctors which to be fair the bill hasn't passed any details on what the examinations consists of, how it will be conducted and how different parts of the trans community and if i had to name some; Hijras, Kothis, Jogappas, Aravanis etc. (please note this also includes intersex people aka hijras who are included in the bill.) and the bill is so fucking vague that the hijra group or non trans person might get mixed up too!

2. NOT for trans right but humans right (proceeds to mention woman's bathrom)
- NO. factually wrong. you don't have to go far for this. "ammendment bill" should have been ample definition. the 2026 bill is here to ammendt aka change the 2019 bill of trans people's in section 4(2) STATES "A transgender person has the right to self-perceived gender identity". Which let me also inform you the bill started in 2014. 5 fucking years of hardwork. the bill was apaprently made FOR TRANS community - NOT woman because the government states this is to "prevent misuse and so that the benifits actually reach the people." or so they say. but then there is
- Removes self-identification
- Excludes many people due to narrow definitions (non-binary, genderfluids etc)
- since its official and there is an ID chec the rick of discrimination and barriers in work/studies/social
- HIGHLY invasive procedure (some people don't want to. but now your REQUIRED to)

3. Bathrooms (bc that's where ur argument lives)
- I am not sure what point your putting with "needs to be verified to use bathrooms" exactly, yes India from what I've experienced has a lot of guards or checks to see who uses what and is not misused. but India also has (from my experience) intersex/non-bianry bathrooms along with male and female. it is not avaibale everywhere. yes. and the communinty often uses the bathrooms they are most comfortable with.

4. Assault on women and men trying assault women dressing up
- Yes. women are the most victims to SA and harrassment, no argument there. but YOUR argument of some weird men dressing up as woman to assault them. is it possible? hypothetically, yes. men are creeps who seem to drop lower. but do you have any evidence to back it up? so far least in my research I cannot find any recorded incidents. you know what I did find? research busting that myth. infact I'm going to slap the link to that here too: https://www.eqfl.org/florida-experts-debunk-transgender-bathroom-predator-myth and from ABC news https://abcnews.com/US/sexual-assault-domestic-violence-organizations-debunk-bathroom-predator/story?id=38604019

5. "The argument that people should be able to self identify completely ignores the rights of women and children in favour of criminals"
- now lets see.. hm.. despte the large amount of articles/videos and already laid out analysis of your propoganda being factually and ignorantly wrong can you be right abbout an already disproved fact? No. and i won't repeat myself again so here read this https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/safety-in-restrooms-and-facilites/

6. "they can’t throw half the population under the bus to protect 1% of people from going through an embarrassing medical examination (as if you don’t have frequent medical exams anyway)."
- now I a going to make a true factual statement: DON'T speak about the 1% like they aren't people. the number of that 1% of trans community, not LGBT+, but TRANS is 4.88 lakh people from census 2011 (link below). ironic because you started the argument of this ammendment being "human right" yet you end your sentence with "just suck it up, don't let us majority 50% suffer (which this is not about us women reminding u again) and give up your right for decency, repect and identity ebcause your MINORITY. learn to give 2 shits about 1% of these people.


sources for:
1.
https://www.equaltimes.org/daughters-of-god-life-in-india-s#:~:text=Savitha%2C%20Sangeena%2C%20Sathana%2C%20Geetha,most%20patriarchal%20and%20conservative%20societies.
https://www.wbnsou.ac.in/openjournals/Issue/2nd-Issue/July2023/4_Monojit_Garai.pdf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-48442934#:~:text=In%20cultures%20in%20South%20Asia,as%20falling%20into%20this%20category.&text=Bhoorah%20was%20among%20the%202%2C500,reproduced%2C%22%20says%20Dr%20Hinchy.

2.
https://vidhi.org/transgression-of-transgender-persons-protection-of-rights-act-2019/

4.
https://www.eqfl.org/florida-experts-debunk-transgender-bathroom-predator-myth
https://abcnews.com/US/sexual-assault-domestic-violence-organizations-debunk-bathroom-predator/story?id=38604019
https://time.com/4314896/transgender-bathroom-bill-male-predators-argument/

5.
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/safety-in-restrooms-and-facilites/

6.
https://www.census2011.co.in/transgender.php?

also forgot to mention. women whho are assaulted in india already are let down by the justice department by how assfully they follow it. trans community members who gets assaulted is even weaker and less enforced. fear of assault is not bounded to our gender of female. did you know that?

https://translaw.clpr.org.in/legislation/transgender-persons-protection-of-rights-act-2019/
https://www.livelaw.in/articles/key-issues-with-transgender-persons-protection-of-rights-act-298597?

Of course anyone can be assaulted, but women are at an extreme disadvantage in those situations. That’s why there is segregation in bathrooms and change rooms to begin with. Doing away with that harms far more woman than the amount of trans people it protects.

The government states that The 2026 bill was made So that "actual" trans people can take benefits that the government provides and to put a clear lable of gender unlike 2019 bill that gives free right of self identity in the trans community.

So your saying just because women's population is higher, the 4.88 lakh trans people should face government scrutiny? Invasive examinations? Job discrimination? Lack of self identify?

Over a fucking bathroom? Which mind you has an easier solution of just creating a 3rd bathroom for all of trans community and already exists in many places of Bharat. IT JUST NEEDS TO BE FUCKING ENFORCED. It's like ur taking a non-existent fly and shooting nukes at it and killing the whole town.

I cannot find ANY study comparing assault cases against trans community against women to see ur claim. This bill is problematic. Did you read ANYTHING? Better yet next time pull out your sources not from your toilet. But an actual credible source.

im not trans myself, but i am someone from lgbtqia+ community and this is insane situation. they're taking the rights away of marginalised groups, they're going to do it to other groups as well, it's js that trans community was the first one to take a hit. next comes gay/queer people, then the women, then the marginalized castes, then the minority religions, then what will remain is js rich bigots ruling the caged slaves. fascists fr. i know im sounding paranoid rn but it's butterfly effect and a snowball effect. you let them grab your pinky finger and the next thing you know they're tearing your whole arm down.

yea, your concerns are valid. but us common people can only sign petitions and spread awareness, unless we participate in and start campaigns. so unless we do, it's only wait watch, sadly

thank you!

thank you so much for this ^^ <3

it ignores self-identification of trans people. you can't call yourself a trans man or a woman unless a government medical officer assigned for a particular district songs the official document that you are trans. which means they'd look at all the surgeries, medical procedures you underwent and then decide if those are "enough" to be able to call you trans. this is stupid bc not everyone has access to surgeries and medical procedures. not only that, despite going through medical procedures, they can reject you for being trans if they think it's not "enough" evidence. this bill basically excludes any trans person except intersex people and some communities like hijras etc. so no recognisation for trans men, gender neutral trans people and others. not only is it blatantly transphobic it's also "male" centered and patriarchal. they want to police what "men" do and are like. if you're not "woman" enough you're a man. but also not "man" enough, so now you're stuck not being a trans-woman, and not being a man either while govt takes away any identity you can identify with. and you're a woman always and forever once you're a "woman".
it's deeply regressive and patriarchal.

its an amendment bill which is extremely anti-trans, cause it essentially removes a person's right to self determination of gender unless they're examined & approved by a medical board. and said medical boards are bigots and transphobic more often than not. so basically only intersex people will have the right to use the legal perks of being transgender, and other folks who identify as such (transmen, transwomen, genderfluid, genderqueer, etc.) will be excluded out of it. hence leaving them out of the legal framework which should be supporting and protecting them. it sucks. and despite having as much opposition as it does, the parliament still favoured it.

Does it go against any of their constitutional rights? Maybe they have a cause? It’s very unfortunate however I don’t see the issue. The way they made it seem, it sounded like they were about to beat them to death or kick them out or something; not ask that they be properly trans to be considered trans. How’s that too much of an ask?

Whichever party or organization that’s fighting against this can always fight to get taxes diverted to this: if you want trans people to have certain surgeries done to be consider trans, here you gotta pay for it.

Very sad nonetheless that India is so corrupt and whatnot that this is where they’ve put their focus when based on the OP they have more important matters to intercede in however, you have to realize that it can be worse. I mean, doesn’t India still use the caste system??? They’re pretty far behind in terms of treating everyone equally; the fact that they’re allowing certain people to be legally considered trans seems like a big step

well, i guess you're not understanding the gravity of this bill. they will NOT provide the money for trans surgeries bc they don't "recognise" that they're trans. it's a catch 22 situation. you want money for trans surgery? prove that you're trans. how do you prove you're trans? by having done the trans surgery and medical treatment AND on top of that an official paper signed by another govt official (who most probably is not even having ANY medical bg. that govt official is distt. magistrate/collector, which a person can become if they appear in "upsc exam" and secure enough marks, though that exam has NOTHING to do with medicine or even healthcare. it's a humanities exam, focusing on GK and basic math and communication and bund of other misc stuff). plus, corruption is rampant in india, which means unless you pay for the paper to be signed you can't get it signed. sometimes outright it can be refused.
they'll not beat them to death, "officially", well you can't do that right? you can't kill them bc they're humans and it would get more negetive traction. the thing is, there can be no "beating trans people" bc they're,....you guessed it right....NOT going to be recognised. someone going "im a trans man" will be called "no you're not, you're a woman. a female" and then when they complain of transphobia, the counter argument will be "there isn't transphobia" well bc YOU don't recognise trans people in the first place dumbfuck!
well the thing about casteism is correct, but officially, it's illegal. that means, govt recognises casteism and caste divide, and then has certain laws to protect marginalised castes. i don't want to open the conversation about casteism bc it again is a nuanced topic with views from both marginalized castes and upper castes. casteism ABSOLUTELY happens in india, and it has only grown i fear, bc of the whole religion politics game of indian political parties. casteism, is tied to religion, in a very toxic way, and that makes it problematic. having said that, the people of marginalised castes are also SUPER into religion politics, even more so sometimes than upper caste people, and most people in India, due to the absolute shitshow media and news channels, is so much more staunch and dogmatic now, so many previously "normal" religious people (i doubt whether religious people can be normal or not, but i would consider them more spiritual practice inclined within a religion than tradition following religious types more) are more staunch now. the problem with separating people on basis of religions is that religions also get sects and subsects and then it becomes what religion is more in power ,then what sect is more in power, then what subsect is more in power....turtles all the way down, and no one wins. now this pattern is eerily similar to another ideology. it's called FASCISM. indian government is turning incredibly fascist incredibly fast, it started out slow, and looked promising, meaning good for others, (as all fascism starts out), but this shit is getting scary now. it has picked up pace and i fear we're dangerously close to the black hole's "event horizon", the point of no return. T_T.

no, much of the government is just indifferent. BJP has said many times "we support the LGBTQIAP+ community" but they can't even get all letters of the acronym right. they are almost heartless. their "feminism" doesn't include us because our identities are too confusing for them to comprehend. >:/

The government shouldn’t be paying for trans surgeries though. They would be using tax payer money to fund turning someone into a life long medical patient. Moreover, the surgery can really mess you up. I had a complete hysterectomy and went on hormone therapy and now I have zero sex drive and osteoporosis. Turns out that the hormones that your body makes are something your body actually needs. Treating a mental disorder with surgery doesn’t actually change anything and it takes years off your life because your risk of dying from almost every major illness goes up by almost 3x (not 3%).
When I say the surgery doesn’t change anything, I mean that it doesn’t change your sex, it puts non functional artificial parts on you, but you’re the same person underneath the plastic surgery.
If you want my two cents, the government should be paying for therapy. I’ve seen physiologists and physiatrists and the thing that helped me most was cognitive behavioural therapy to deal with my past sa experiences.
I’m also autistic and it seems like trans organizations target autistic girls because we like stereotypical male pursuits (math, physics, sports) and don’t care about feminine things (makeup, pretty clothes, social play like dolls). You can be a girl and dress like a boy, get a short haircut, and pursue typically masculine activities. But there is a push now (where I live) to transition people to match the activities they like. This mindset makes it so people are pressured into transitioning because they’re so strict on gender roles that you have to have surgery in order to match your interests. If gender is just a construct, your physical sex shouldn’t matter, and you should be able to pursue any interest you want regardless of your sex. You should also learn to love your body, even if it’s not what you want. I’m pretty convinced that most people don’t love their body for one reason or another, but it’s a mindset problem (unless you have actual medical issues, but hating a medical problem is different than hating the body that has to bear it and is carrying you through it).

look, darling. the govt is NOT paying for surgeries, it's js providing medical insurance reg. the medical treatments, and less interest rates on loans if the trans people want to go under surgery. the problem is w recognition, a person who has gender dysphoria and wants to identify as a particular gender should be allowed to do so without begging in front of govt officials and going under knife to PROVE that oh look im a woman actually even though i was AMAB or vice versa. and you're true about gender roles. + therapy is not a mainstream thing in india, if AT ALL. it's extremely expensive and good therapists are rare to find. forget therapists, let alone good therapists if you don't reside in the, like, 6 metropolitan cities (delhi,mumbai,jaipur, chennai, kolkata, bangalore, hyderabad), and even in these cities the actual good therapists and availability and them being able to understand you is rare. (since most people who go to therapy,if they do, are upper middle class people), there's a lot of payment gap in india, ie. the rich are quite rich while most are not able to afford things which don't come off as basic necessities. so any "posh" thing like this is expensive af. india is a a fairly low cost of living country as compared to others but it comes with disadvantages z anything which is not a necessity for "survival" is all expensive. so quality of life is not super great, that's a price we pay for getting things "cheaply" it works for most, since it's a country with low PPP anyway, but it doesn't guarantee good quality of life. thus lower happiness index. the trans people aren't opposing it bc they're not providing money for surgery ( they never did), they're opposing bc they have been stripped away w the right to recognition. the govt doesn't RECOGNISE them. doesn't give them trans status. so they will have dysphoria while everyone goes "you're not going thru it, suck it up". with no mental health amenities available, and no self-identification recognised, they're helpless.

what OP is saying is right. there are plenty of evidences of gender-affirming care improving quality of life of many people (intersex people and non-binary people as well) besides trans people.

https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicide-risk-reduces-73-transgender-nonbinary-youths-gender-affirming-care

it's alarming how much india needs these healthcare services but we still don't have them.....
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12069335/

osteoporosis has many causes and menopause is one of them. hormonal therapy itself doesn't cause osteoporosis.
"zero sex drive" is not everyone's problem. besides, not everyone wants intimate relationships.

and gender dysphoria is not a mental disorder. it was removed from the DSM in 2013 with publication of DSM-5.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240228073936/ https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/diversity/education/transgender-and-gender-nonconforming-patients/gender-dysphoria-diagnosis#:~:text=With%20the%20publication%20of%20DSM%E2%80%935%20in%202013%2C%20%E2%80%9Cgender,%2C%20medical%2C%20and%20surgical%20treatments

you think trans people don't hate their dysphoria? of course they do. heck, I'm cis but still I understand that they don't hate their bodies; they hate the uncomfortableness of their own skins and sometimes the body-identity mismatch becomes so overwhelming that they become su1c1dal.