Isn't ignoring the complex reasons why women engage with certain stories misogyny?
I'm not trying to have a debate or a conversation about certain critiques in this post, I'm just asking straight up isn't this misogyny?
Isn't denying female readers nuance for what they read misogyny? As if we don't live or society wasn't built on patriarchy that has shaped how women lived, what experiences they had, how they cope with the world. Like I'm not trying to say critiques aren't allowed but when we don't take into account or try to care for the nuance of why women engage with or write certain stories, relying on one-note assumptions or assessments, isn't that just straight up misogyny? I think it's interesting how nuance is demanded with things like "not all men" but no nuance is considered for women, especially when it comes to the stories they engage with. Again im not saying critiques can't happen, I don't mind if critiques happen, but I don't understand why critiques must become sweeping judgements and generalization of women that becomes the general idea of how we view those women, despite whatever nuance they have or give, when also on the flip side people are more vigilant in generalizing men going "not all men".
I think critiques are valid to make and have but I think the nuance should also be engaged with, not to justify, but to address the root problems. Don't you guys think so too? And if we don't care to give women nuance or engage with their nuance, to the point where we rarely do and instead run on the sweeping generalizations we make of them, what does that say about us? Aren't we now the pawns of patriarchy, doing it's job for it? Blaming women, excerting most if not all our energy on deeming a 'bad'/'unpleasant' women and putting them down, deflecting from the primary boogeyman/puppet master the patriarchy.
I also think it's interesting about what rights we think we have to deny a group their nuance and their context of being under a systemic power. Are we saying or telling them they aren't /that/ affected by that system? Why do we feel the need to do that? To impose our judgements over their nuance? Isn't this a power play? I could go on but I'm stopping here.
Oh yes, it absolutely is Misogyny. But the people here aren't ready for that conversation. With every post on this site, I can see the Misogyny casually or just oozing out. And As a person who has been through the same torture in religious manner, the idea of "Pure women" "Modest women" is desirable to a certain group of people. But what hurts me ......
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Me when I discover the word nuance
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was that post not asking for nuance and explanations of said complexities? or is simply asking any of that an attack on women somehow?
women can be (and often are) misogynistic, to themselves and other people. it came free with the patriarchal system most of us live under. even in patriarchal societies, women have a role to play in maintaining and......
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I mean this whole post just boils down to using standpoint epistemology to argue that what, we shouldn't say someone's taste sucks?
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I'm curious as to what you have in mind when you mention nuance. Am i missing a context here? I would like to gladly engage in this conversation and I agree with you on parts about how there is a nuance to things. Not everything is black or white.
But I wanna know what rights are we denying ourselves or other women, the ones you mentioned? Nuance ......
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Reminds me of the girl making a video asking “why women read yaoi if they hate men who watch porn?” And it’s like well one is built on exploitation, fetishization of young girls and sexual violence. Not to mention the HUMAN TRAFFICKING. And the other is, yaoi.
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I think people read stories that are intriguing or interesting to them. It is a personal experience - so are the perspectives of others, which are equally complex. I don’t fully agree that all negative judgements, whether or not they are “shallow”, are misogynistic in nature
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The critiqued themselves are worthy of being specified if you wish for an answer.
* actually, I am a bit tired of all this vagueness whenever someone talks about "misogyny".
if you live in Iran, the misogyny women face and perpetuate are different and should be evaluated differently.
if you live in US, it is also... completely different.
the l......
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