Sorry not sorry

You just contradicted yourself....He said no but he also consented, very different to saying no and not consenting....please.

It is exactly what I said wtf ? I say please stop using ''no'' in fiction when the character is actually agree. It's not romantic or sexy at all because young or naive people reading this will think that a no can mean yes in real life ??

i completely agree with you! although saying no and meaning yes is a common trope in all kinds of erotica, it's important to remember that the works are fictional. not everything u enjoy in a fictional story may be to your liking in real life, and that's ok.

it's always ok to say no, and your partner should respect that. i'm just worried normalizing "no but yes" may lead to young women feeling like their "no" isn't heard, or that they may have a hard time differentiating abuse from "rough play". communication is the key, and i hope that the communication not being there in most erotica doesn't make it seem like it's not necessary.

It's exactly what I'm thinking about it ! You can like it because it's fictional but with some disclaimer for example. I read it because I can dissociate the two but it was not always the case. When I was younger, I thought that if my partner didn't take my "no" it was because I didn't really meant it. And it is where I want some warning for younger people :(

aw i'm so sorry to hear about your horrible experience b, i hope you're doing better now <3

but yes i agree! sometimes i feel like such a mom here preaching and stuff ahah! i know the main reader-base of yaoi is young teenage girls, so i want to give some food for thought in the comments. i don't want the "no means yes" trope to be thought of as just another part of a normal relationship. if ur partner doesn't take a "no", u better run. no one deserves to feel like their voice isn't heard. :(

It's alright thank you <3

And exactly. I think it's important to tell them that it is okay to have some fantasm but they have to discuss it with their partner first not like in these fiction. We don't kinkshame anyone here, just some awarness because I'm really worry like a mom haha

i'm glad to hear that <3

yeah, communication is the key! no matter what kinks people have, it is always important to tell your partner about it. i understand that reading a consent-convo would be stale & therefore it's often cut off in fictional stories, but i think it's important to point out the importance of it in real life. i just want everyone to be safe :)

right??

also people don't come at me with shit BuT hE weNt To HIs hoUSe for SeX, so whaaaaaaat? YOU CAN TAKE YOUR CONSENT BACK AT ANY TIME, YOUR BODY AND DECISION IS VALID.

We can't forget our morals because this is fiction, come on - do better.

nvm i misread your comment and I just saw you posting BS elsewhere.

I do not agree with your point of view.

Worry about yourself and nobody else, this is not a REAL LIFE situation everyone should no better and......Why are young/ naive people reading this???? This is not appropriate for their age and doesnt cater to them either so what point are you making here? If us groan people understand this then thats why its rated 18+ please leave girl because your making no sense..

Imagine taking a story from a manwha and turning into a real life situation??? Okay sis, im pretty sure that hes more than capable then to truly not want what he is being given AND what are ayll even talking about yall havent even seen what happens next, you dont know if he is a victim of rape or enjoyed it so sit tf down

are you 12? you shouldn't be reading stuff like this, it can be damaging for your undeveloped brain. Please be careful of what you do with people irl.

Just because it's not real doesn't make it ok. You have every right to try to avoid or tolerate the rape if that's ok with you but I'm entitled to my opinion just like you. However YOU NEED to be able to acknowledge and differentiate BDSM, rough play and rape.

FOR YOUR OWN GOOD AND YOUR FUTURE PARTNER'S DO BETTER, PLEASE.

Have a good one.

First, hunny im not 12 lets get that straight, second of all, In your eyes you think its rape and tbh i do feel like there shouldve been a disclaimed for really erotic sex language and scenes however, this is a Manhwa, this very much fake, giving me very much Cinderellas love story, FAKE! That being said, this isnt RAPE because then the author would’ve portrayed this in a very different manner than if it were a story that was based off rape or the character was raped surprisingly (from a viewers perspective). Also, the author has other manhwas published and so they are experienced and if the storyline was based off being raped then they would’ve added a disclaimer. Bare in mind we havent progressed in the story at all so we cannot confirm this but the way it was drawn and the speech....it safe to be 99.999% sure this is not rape so please stop. And please keep in mind this is rated 18+ (duh) so people who are mature enough should be reading this and know right from wrong honey so please.....if u dont like the way the drawn and spreading out the story SO FAR then please,,,,the door is open and you can leave at any point...if not?....then please hold your mouth and stay silent.

What are you even talking about??? Rape is huge in yaoi, how can you ignore such a fact? Authors use rape like a plot device all the time. Just because they end up together doesn't mean the rape didn't happen. Like in reality rape comes in all different shapes. I won't ignore it just because it's fiction.

Literally wasting my time replying to you, we will never get anywhere and that's ok.

Take care and educate yourself. Ciao.

Sorry but why are you so agressive lmao ? And where do I say there is rape can't tout read ? I told that I understand the consent here and this is not the point of my commentary, reread please don't make me say something I didn't say.

And for the rating how can you be so dishonnet as if a rating have ever stop young people to read or watch something. I'm sure you have done to when you were younger.

I'm just saying to put warning or disclaimer, why do you feel so pressed about it ? I've never say this story was bad or somethinge. Just that it nurture the culture of rape, not that it was rape. It IS a huge difference here please try to understand. You're so agressive without understand any point here

Girl bye XD, you say every author use rape like a plot device yet you still continue to read yaoi Manga PLEASEEEE XDDDD girly your fighting the wrong battle, seriously go a read something else but BL if you feel so strongly about it your making your point more and more irrelevant love. Because the Yaoi community wouldn’t be so popular if it was such a massive problem. :) Cheers girly and maybe educate YOURSELF on manga and manhwa illustration and maybe some of you guys that calll this rape might realise that it may not be the case.....nutcases

BUT I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING OF THAT LMAO CAN'T YOU REALLY READ OR WHAT ??
And please don't be dumb we all know that yaoi have a lot of fetishist fan in the community and it's the reason why it works even better than yuri. It's not the debate here please you really can't understand what I'm saying you're agressive for nothing you havent really read entirely all the answer here. Stop saying that I said anything about rape I didn't ??? READ PLEASE READ

I'm so sad for you. Nothing else to add "girly".

Are you referring to me? I'm honestly so tired.

I'm trying my best to explain my point of view and people go nuts and start insulting me for no apparent reason.

We are supposed to be adults it's ok to disagree but we don't have to be a bitch about it.

Have a good one.

Not you sorry, we have the same point of view here don't worry. I'm sorry if I upseted you